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[leetchie69]

Stuff like this happens everyday?

People get shot, the police know about it, know who did it, and the person admits to doing it......yet the person walks free?

Where does this happen?

I am being serious....please enlighten me.

This post has been edited by leetchie69: Mar 23 2012, 07:36 PM

[leedsy99]

Because his basis for assuming this to be the case was the same as his basis for ultimately murdering a straight-A student with no criminal history -- Skin color.

But you don't know this, you're only assuming it. And as much as the media maybe debunked whether or not black youths were actually victimizing the neighborhood, you just can't conclude racism without some form of substantial proof. I certainly don't want to seem like I'm excusing the guy's actions. But if we're concluding racism, then he shoots a middle-aged black man wearing an expensive suit too. What he did was shoot a kid who looked like a thug to him, and his definition of thug just happened to have a racial component. That's sad and ignorant and obviously tragic. But in my opinion it should be left at that because you aren't making any further progress in the debate.

Putting it another way, if you call the police to report a potential crime every single time you see a black person in your neighborhood and if you then shoot a black honor student whose only crime appears to have been being in your neighborhood, odds are, you are a racist.

So you can prove that he called the police every single time he saw a black person in his neighborhood? I don't know what this guy is about. But speculating, I would imagine he called the police every single time that he saw someone that he felt didn't belong in his neighborhood in his neighborhood. And (sadly) he felt that young black kids matched that description. And maybe he was kinda correct about that. I'm not excusing the guy, who I hope is prosecuted to the fullest extent. Unfortunately, I don't see a racist as much as I see a paranoid lunatic who should not be allowed to hide behind overly permissible gun laws. What would you have him do? Demand a resume from someone? If this was a violent sex offender peering through windows, he still should not have been permitted to shoot him. And that's the only way that I can look at this, because there is not way to distinguish between good and bad in a moment.

[Alitaki]

To continue the devils advocate argument SATS and 101 brought up, before the Treyvon case (about two years) a man was shot in front of his 8 year old daughter because he got into an argument with another man that was hasseling some skateboarders. The shooter is claiming self defense under the stand your ground law. No national coverage. I had not heard anything about it until i started reading up on the current case. The victim was white, the shooter black. Did that have anything to do with the lack of coverage? Maybe, maybe not.

[ultimate steve]

Ugh. Now they're really gonna want to take our guns away.

[steamroller]

To continue the devils advocate argument SATS and 101 brought up, before the Treyvon case (about two years) a man was shot in front of his 8 year old daughter because he got into an argument with another man that was hasseling some skateboarders. The shooter is claiming self defense under the stand your ground law. No national coverage. I had not heard anything about it until i started reading up on the current case. The victim was white, the shooter black. Did that have anything to do with the lack of coverage? Maybe, maybe not.

There were charges in that case. Thats where the outrage here started, the fact that the police seemed basically to just take the dude at his word, had the appearance of not really investigating what happened, possibly influenced a witness and had a police chief act annoyed that people want this followed up.

[Paul Smachetti]

Because his basis for assuming this to be the case was the same as his basis for ultimately murdering a straight-A student with no criminal history -- Skin color.

But you don't know this, you're only assuming it. And as much as the media maybe debunked whether or not black youths were actually victimizing the neighborhood, you just can't conclude racism without some form of substantial proof. I certainly don't want to seem like I'm excusing the guy's actions. But if we're concluding racism, then he shoots a middle-aged black man wearing an expensive suit too. What he did was shoot a kid who looked like a thug to him, and his definition of thug just happened to have a racial component. That's sad and ignorant and obviously tragic. But in my opinion it should be left at that because you aren't making any further progress in the debate.

Putting it another way, if you call the police to report a potential crime every single time you see a black person in your neighborhood and if you then shoot a black honor student whose only crime appears to have been being in your neighborhood, odds are, you are a racist.

So you can prove that he called the police every single time he saw a black person in his neighborhood? I don't know what this guy is about. But speculating, I would imagine he called the police every single time that he saw someone that he felt didn't belong in his neighborhood in his neighborhood. And (sadly) he felt that young black kids matched that description. And maybe he was kinda correct about that. I'm not excusing the guy, who I hope is prosecuted to the fullest extent. Unfortunately, I don't see a racist as much as I see a paranoid lunatic who should not be allowed to hide behind overly permissible gun laws. What would you have him do? Demand a resume from someone? If this was a violent sex offender peering through windows, he still should not have been permitted to shoot him. And that's the only way that I can look at this, because there is not way to distinguish between good and bad in a moment.

In 2 instances when he called the police about Trayvon Martin he used the references "these assholes" and "fuckin coon" so I'd have to conclude he's a racist.

[Rocha]

Wait. Did he really say "fuckin' coon" once?!?

[Sed]

Wait. Did he really say "fuckin' coon?!?"

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt - perhaps he was calling animal control about Procyonid problems.

[Paul Smachetti]

Wait. Did he really say "fuckin' coon" once?!?

I was watching The Ed Show tonight and they played the calls . It wasn't crystal clear but you could make it out

[steamroller]

Wait. Did he really say "fuckin' coon" once?!?

He says something that sounds like it, i think its too hard to make out though.

[Alitaki]

To continue the devils advocate argument SATS and 101 brought up, before the Treyvon case (about two years) a man was shot in front of his 8 year old daughter because he got into an argument with another man that was hasseling some skateboarders. The shooter is claiming self defense under the stand your ground law. No national coverage. I had not heard anything about it until i started reading up on the current case. The victim was white, the shooter black. Did that have anything to do with the lack of coverage? Maybe, maybe not.

There were charges in that case. Thats where the outrage here started, the fact that the police seemed basically to just take the dude at his word, had the appearance of not really investigating what happened, possibly influenced a witness and had a police chief act annoyed that people want this followed up.

There were also multiple witnesses in that case, that's why there was an arrest.

[Beamer]

It's absolutely "coon."

[VerdDogg]

You can't make it out, but it sounds like it. C'mon.

[leedsy99]

Might as well say this -- I'm bothered that the Miami Heat's heart-in-the-right-place tribute is not being called out. If you missed it, they wore black hoodies under hashtags calling for justice. Yet one disturbed me -- the hashtag saying Stereotyped. And here's why, using an example: After 9/11, Americans of Middle Eastern decent and Islamic faith rallied against the stereotypes they were being labeled with, under the defense that they perpetrators behind the terrorism were a very small and very remote fringe of their ethnic and religious background. And they were right. It was not correct to make sweeping generalizations in the wake of an isolated tragedy. So why isn't the same conclusion applied here? Why can't this individual, assuming he's the worst racist ever, be considered an isolated exception to an otherwise fair and impartial system? In other words, why accept the comment that young black men are "stereotyped" when in fact this is an isolated incident committed by an individual that does not represent mainstream thought in any way, shape or form.

I just see no social utility in the way that this is being examined. To me, all it does is stoke the flames among the paranoid and incorrectly marginalized. How is it any different than when a media pundit (for example) falsely incites his followers by suggesting that a federal program will force taxpayers to encourage prostitution? Lebron James, who drove a Humvee as a teenage celebrity and never once was denied an opportunity in his life, expresses a message that effectively says that young black men are disadvantaged by white society and law enforcement. How does this help anything? Can't we just say that this person was wrong, hold him accountable, and not make any sweeping generalizations that involve black hoodies and the way that people react to them?

[Charlie]

Yeah, I was not aware of "Stand your ground" laws, and they seem kind of wacko to me.

Everyone knows about "your home is your castle." Stand your ground laws extend that into the outside world. Basically, if you have reasonable belief that your life is in immediate danger, you can't be prosecuted. Florida has these, and 21 states in total do.

But, that's what's insane. You can't be prosecuted. It leaves decisions like that up to police. Shouldn't whether or not someone committed murder be decided in a court, not by a cop?

Leedsy, I'm pretty sure you are a prosecutor (from what you have said in the past). How do you feel about these kind of laws?

[Hockey101]

There are many people that are murdered, yet we always end up seeing a select cases by media and politicians to heavily follow and comment on. Happens everywhere in the world and it sickens me. Self interest is put forth ahead of real emotions and sorrow for some people.

In some cases, however, it sets off a national dialog worth having and, I would argue, this is one of those cases.

I am actually mostly in favor of gun rights. I live in New Hampshire where hunting is a common past time and I also appreciate firearms as collectibles and as part of a hobby/competative shooting. That having been said, Stand Your Ground is bad legisltaion and this case illustrates the reasons why perfectly. The discussion on race is also worth having.

I don't think this case should be about race as there is no real concrete evidence that it was in regards to Zimmernman. The police? I don't know. I am very supportive of these authorities (police, firefighters, state troopers especially) and they have one of the hardest jobs in the world. They are human, so mistakes are bound to happen. I think they did a poor job on this investigation (one of probably many), but i just do not like it that whenever the suspect is arrested, or killed, and he/she is of another race then people jump on the racial issue immediately. I don't think that is fair.

I just think the media picks and chooses certain cases that attract TV ratings. If this happened to a white guy the only media covering it would be the local newspapers. If the shooter (Zimmerman) was black then it would not have been a local news story. And by the way, is Zimmernman hispanic or white caucasian? From the photo i saw he looked hispanic.

In Italy they do the same thing. When it is an Albanian murdering a family, it gets mentioned in the news. When it is an Albanian family getting murdered then it is a week long story because they talk about multiculturalism, racism/prejudice, what should the government do, it should provide them jobs and housing (which it actually does as ridiculous as that sounds), and should we limit immigration. It's all it is. Just the media looking for hot topics. And of course they interview the politicians who make statements about these stories.

I mean, i know Obama had no ill intention to say what he did on Trayvon, but it was a PR move. Like too many politicians do, they use these stories. I love Delray Beach, but there is also a poor section of this town that has some nasty crimes sometimes in its black neighborhoods. But, it is a black neighborhood and if a 10 year old Haitian boy is murdered by another black person, does the media really care? NO! It's a news headline for the day/night. Now if it was a white person killing that child, well then it's all over the place. It's sick. These people use these victims for TV ratings or for PR. Where is the decency to respect the loss of lives here? "This guy died...meh....not such an interesting story. Oh wait! This guy was killed by such and such! Gotta get to work on this!" We're seeing these lives being valued depending how much they are worth self interest. It's disgusting.

Sorry i am ranting on about this, and this is a bit off topic, but the Natalie Holloway case. I mean, yes... i feel terrible what happened to her and her family. But, as if this was the first time this happened? How many girls (tourists) when going to Cancun do not come back? I like Greta on Fox, she has some great interviews, but dear God. She was obsessed with this case. Why was that case any different than other cases that happened elsewhere?

Anyway, just trying to make my point. I don't like it when the media and politicians get too involved with these stories. I just see it as a disrespect to the loss of human life in using it for self interest.

[Hockey101]

Stuff like this happens everyday?

People get shot, the police know about it, know who did it, and the person admits to doing it......yet the person walks free?

Where does this happen?

I am being serious....please enlighten me.

Well.... if they are self defense or trespassing property.... not that this case was, but in those cases you should be free to go.

In this case, i think the investigation should restart from scratch and have the FBI in on it. Although maybe it is? I forgot if i heard that the FBI was also helping on this case or another. 2,40 am i can't remember.

I want to see if Zimmernman knew Trayvon more than we think. I also want to see a more recent Trayvon photo as a 17 year old, not as a young teenager. Who knows, Trayvon was involved with a gang. Zimmerman also involved somehow and they found a loophole to kill him. Nothing was ruled out in this case. Terrible job.

[LisaLisa]

Stuff like this happens everyday?

People get shot, the police know about it, know who did it, and the person admits to doing it......yet the person walks free?

Where does this happen?

I am being serious....please enlighten me.

Well.... if they are self defense or trespassing property.... not that this case was, but in those cases you should be free to go.

In this case, i think the investigation should restart from scratch and have the FBI in on it. Although maybe it is? I forgot if i heard that the FBI was also helping on this case or another. 2,40 am i can't remember.

I want to see if Zimmernman knew Trayvon more than we think. I also want to see a more recent Trayvon photo as a 17 year old, not as a young teenager. Who knows, Trayvon was involved with a gang. Zimmerman also involved somehow and they found a loophole to kill him. Nothing was ruled out in this case. Terrible job.

Maybe if you didn't watch just FOX news, you'd have had the answer to some these questions. Pictures of Trayvon as a 17 yr old, as he was, have been shown on television. As far as "restart from scratch", that's not possible. As I posted before, the crime scene is gone, destroyed, contaminated. No evidence was gathered, Zimmerman was not questioned at the scene nor was he questioned later by the police. He's never been questioned by the police! Yes, the police deserve respect. But when they're clearly incompetent, they don't. They need to be called out when they're unfit for their job because the bad/lazy/incompetent cops drag down the good ones who care about doing their job right.

Also, your suggestion that he was involved with a gang is ridiculous. Has no one actually read about this case before saying anything about it? He was there visiting his father. That's it. That's what he was doing there. He didn't live there, he was just there to see his father. He left the house to go to the store. He got a bag of Skittles and an ice tea. He was talking on the phone with his girlfriend when Zimmerman started following him. A few minutes later, he was dead. Also, no one has reported anything about the FBI getting involved. However, attorney general Eric Holder has gotten involved due to the possibility of this case being charged as a hate crime. And if you think there is no evidence showing "racist" behavior by Zimmerman, then you haven't heard the 911 recordings of his phonecall. Zimmerman's own words made this a case about race. There is no way to remove the issue of race because it's at the root of the crime.

[toph]

Uhh, the FBI is getting involved along with the Department of Justice. It's in the Washington Post.

[VerdDogg]

Has no one actually read about this case before saying anything about it?

Also, no one has reported anything about the FBI getting involved.

LOL

[Hockey101]

Stuff like this happens everyday?

People get shot, the police know about it, know who did it, and the person admits to doing it......yet the person walks free?

Where does this happen?

I am being serious....please enlighten me.

Well.... if they are self defense or trespassing property.... not that this case was, but in those cases you should be free to go.

In this case, i think the investigation should restart from scratch and have the FBI in on it. Although maybe it is? I forgot if i heard that the FBI was also helping on this case or another. 2,40 am i can't remember.

I want to see if Zimmernman knew Trayvon more than we think. I also want to see a more recent Trayvon photo as a 17 year old, not as a young teenager. Who knows, Trayvon was involved with a gang. Zimmerman also involved somehow and they found a loophole to kill him. Nothing was ruled out in this case. Terrible job.

Maybe if you didn't watch just FOX news, you'd have had the answer to some these questions. Pictures of Trayvon as a 17 yr old, as he was, have been shown on television. As far as "restart from scratch", that's not possible. As I posted before, the crime scene is gone, destroyed, contaminated. No evidence was gathered, Zimmerman was not questioned at the scene nor was he questioned later by the police. He's never been questioned by the police! Yes, the police deserve respect. But when they're clearly incompetent, they don't. They need to be called out when they're unfit for their job because the bad/lazy/incompetent cops drag down the good ones who care about doing their job right.

Also, your suggestion that he was involved with a gang is ridiculous. Has no one actually read about this case before saying anything about it? He was there visiting his father. That's it. That's what he was doing there. He didn't live there, he was just there to see his father. He left the house to go to the store. He got a bag of Skittles and an ice tea. He was talking on the phone with his girlfriend when Zimmerman started following him. A few minutes later, he was dead. Also, no one has reported anything about the FBI getting involved. However, attorney general Eric Holder has gotten involved due to the possibility of this case being charged as a hate crime. And if you think there is no evidence showing "racist" behavior by Zimmerman, then you haven't heard the 911 recordings of his phonecall. Zimmerman's own words made this a case about race. There is no way to remove the issue of race because it's at the root of the crime.

This is pretty much a local story for me living down here. It's not FoxNews, really. I've only seen O'Reilly on.....Thursday, i think, talk about it. Otherwise it's Sun-Sentinel for me.

I still think that this investigation was done so poorly that things were missed and still could be found.

I am not suggesting anything. I just want to know more in a sense that there should be a deeper investigation and the FBI IS in on it.

[leetchie69]

I mean, i know Obama had no ill intention to say what he did on Trayvon, but it was a PR move. Like too many politicians do, they use these stories. I love Delray Beach, but there is also a poor section of this town that has some nasty crimes sometimes in its black neighborhoods. But, it is a black neighborhood and if a 10 year old Haitian boy is murdered by another black person, does the media really care? NO! It's a news headline for the day/night. Now if it was a white person killing that child, well then it's all over the place. It's sick. These people use these victims for TV ratings or for PR. Where is the decency to respect the loss of lives here? "This guy died...meh....not such an interesting story. Oh wait! This guy was killed by such and such! Gotta get to work on this!" We're seeing these lives being valued depending how much they are worth self interest. It's disgusting.

Sorry i am ranting on about this, and this is a bit off topic, but the Natalie Holloway case. I mean, yes... i feel terrible what happened to her and her family. But, as if this was the first time this happened? How many girls (tourists) when going to Cancun do not come back? I like Greta on Fox, she has some great interviews, but dear God. She was obsessed with this case. Why was that case any different than other cases that happened elsewhere?

Anyway, just trying to make my point. I don't like it when the media and politicians get too involved with these stories. I just see it as a disrespect to the loss of human life in using it for self interest.

Can Obama do any right in your mind? Or does Fox News have you so brain washed?

What was he suppose to say when asked? No comment? I think like most Americans he was talking from his heart and as a parent.

No wait..your right....damn him! I can't believe Obama was taking advantage of this by holding a press conference to get some publicity for his campaign...unreal!

[Beamer]

How could Zimmerman know Martin better?


Also, Leedsy: http://blacksnob.com/snob_blog/2012/3/20/n...-being-goo.html

[Knight of Dight]

I mean, i know Obama had no ill intention to say what he did on Trayvon, but it was a PR move. Like too many politicians do, they use these stories. I love Delray Beach, but there is also a poor section of this town that has some nasty crimes sometimes in its black neighborhoods. But, it is a black neighborhood and if a 10 year old Haitian boy is murdered by another black person, does the media really care? NO! It's a news headline for the day/night. Now if it was a white person killing that child, well then it's all over the place. It's sick. These people use these victims for TV ratings or for PR. Where is the decency to respect the loss of lives here? "This guy died...meh....not such an interesting story. Oh wait! This guy was killed by such and such! Gotta get to work on this!" We're seeing these lives being valued depending how much they are worth self interest. It's disgusting.

Sorry i am ranting on about this, and this is a bit off topic, but the Natalie Holloway case. I mean, yes... i feel terrible what happened to her and her family. But, as if this was the first time this happened? How many girls (tourists) when going to Cancun do not come back? I like Greta on Fox, she has some great interviews, but dear God. She was obsessed with this case. Why was that case any different than other cases that happened elsewhere?

Anyway, just trying to make my point. I don't like it when the media and politicians get too involved with these stories. I just see it as a disrespect to the loss of human life in using it for self interest.

Can Obama do any right in your mind? Or does Fox News have you so brain washed?

What was he suppose to say when asked? No comment? I think like most Americans he was talking from his heart and as a parent.

No wait..your right....damn him! I can't believe Obama was taking advantage of this by holding a press conference to get some publicity for his campaign...unreal!

You do notice that the [democratic] media has been painting the picture that Zimmerman is WHITE, don't you? If you look at any of the pictures of him you can see he's clearly Hispanic, but the story is being spun by the media as "Racist white guy fatally shoots innocent black teenager" to rally anti-White support from the African American community in preparation of the upcoming fall election. If the story were told as it truly is -- a crazy Hispanic guy killed a kid because he is crazy, it would both piss off the Hispanic voters and be less effective at galvanizing the African American community. This isn't Fox News brainwashing-- I don't even read Fox News. Yes, the event is tragic and yes I do feel for his family and really hope that the justice system prevails and Zimmerman gets locked away for a very long time. But to claim that this event isn't being used for political gain is ignorant.

As for what Obama could have said something like this instead of going for the pathos appeal:

"This is a tragic event, and my heart goes out to all of his family and friends. I have faith in the great American judicial system to see that justice is properly served." That's succinct and doesn't come across as trying to pluck heart strings to win support for himself.

This post has been edited by Knight of Dight: Mar 24 2012, 02:21 PM

[toph]

His parents are white and hispanic.

Reading a short bio on Zimmerman makes me think he's more unhinged than just an unabashed racist. This guy assaulted a police officer when he was 21 and was kicked out of his community college a few years ago.

Also, the no retreat requirement law is not horrible legislation, in my mind. The retreat requirement is so arbitrary and asks too much of someone faced with what is usually a split second decision.

[Hockey101]

I mean, i know Obama had no ill intention to say what he did on Trayvon, but it was a PR move. Like too many politicians do, they use these stories. I love Delray Beach, but there is also a poor section of this town that has some nasty crimes sometimes in its black neighborhoods. But, it is a black neighborhood and if a 10 year old Haitian boy is murdered by another black person, does the media really care? NO! It's a news headline for the day/night. Now if it was a white person killing that child, well then it's all over the place. It's sick. These people use these victims for TV ratings or for PR. Where is the decency to respect the loss of lives here? "This guy died...meh....not such an interesting story. Oh wait! This guy was killed by such and such! Gotta get to work on this!" We're seeing these lives being valued depending how much they are worth self interest. It's disgusting.

Sorry i am ranting on about this, and this is a bit off topic, but the Natalie Holloway case. I mean, yes... i feel terrible what happened to her and her family. But, as if this was the first time this happened? How many girls (tourists) when going to Cancun do not come back? I like Greta on Fox, she has some great interviews, but dear God. She was obsessed with this case. Why was that case any different than other cases that happened elsewhere?

Anyway, just trying to make my point. I don't like it when the media and politicians get too involved with these stories. I just see it as a disrespect to the loss of human life in using it for self interest.

Can Obama do any right in your mind? Or does Fox News have you so brain washed?

What was he suppose to say when asked? No comment? I think like most Americans he was talking from his heart and as a parent.

No wait..your right....damn him! I can't believe Obama was taking advantage of this by holding a press conference to get some publicity for his campaign...unreal!

He did the same thing as the case with that professor by coming to conclusions. I think he should have said that he trusts the FBI in helping the case, feels sorry for the kid's family, and our judicial system will work out. Nothing more than that.

And you can shove the Fox News comment up your asshole. I may as well say you masturbate on all that is left wing source and Obama does everything right!

[Ebase]

I mean, i know Obama had no ill intention to say what he did on Trayvon, but it was a PR move. Like too many politicians do, they use these stories. I love Delray Beach, but there is also a poor section of this town that has some nasty crimes sometimes in its black neighborhoods. But, it is a black neighborhood and if a 10 year old Haitian boy is murdered by another black person, does the media really care? NO! It's a news headline for the day/night. Now if it was a white person killing that child, well then it's all over the place. It's sick. These people use these victims for TV ratings or for PR. Where is the decency to respect the loss of lives here? "This guy died...meh....not such an interesting story. Oh wait! This guy was killed by such and such! Gotta get to work on this!" We're seeing these lives being valued depending how much they are worth self interest. It's disgusting.

Sorry i am ranting on about this, and this is a bit off topic, but the Natalie Holloway case. I mean, yes... i feel terrible what happened to her and her family. But, as if this was the first time this happened? How many girls (tourists) when going to Cancun do not come back? I like Greta on Fox, she has some great interviews, but dear God. She was obsessed with this case. Why was that case any different than other cases that happened elsewhere?

Anyway, just trying to make my point. I don't like it when the media and politicians get too involved with these stories. I just see it as a disrespect to the loss of human life in using it for self interest.

I think that you are being too cynical.

Some things are felt from the heart. Bush spoke publicly that he either contacted in person or spoke with every family that lost someone in Iraq or Afghanistan. Despite that, he never spoke of the details of those conversations and what was said. And so while he made sobering comments publicly I believe wholeheartedly that he was being authentic in his caring for those families.

Not everything President's do is "Romney-fied." I am not certain that vessel is capable of anything authentic before looking at the polls.

President Obama was speaking from the heart as he should be able to do.

While its over the top with emotion to the point I question his mental toughness, the tears that Boehner wells up periodically are authentic. I haven't mocked this as fake ever. Personally, when President Obama turned and introduced him during the SOTU speech and he welled up was a great moment of authentic politics. When Obama spoke of his biography it was real. It wasn't contrived.

I think authentic moments are in short supply in the role play of politics these days. I applaud Obama when he is able to tone down the soaring rhetoric to a human level for a few moments.

Don't be so cynical. I look at moments where humanity actually shows up as great moments.

[Greatone]

What would even make you suggest that Martin could be in a gang, 101? You are ridiculous.

[Knight of Dight]

I mean, i know Obama had no ill intention to say what he did on Trayvon, but it was a PR move. Like too many politicians do, they use these stories. I love Delray Beach, but there is also a poor section of this town that has some nasty crimes sometimes in its black neighborhoods. But, it is a black neighborhood and if a 10 year old Haitian boy is murdered by another black person, does the media really care? NO! It's a news headline for the day/night. Now if it was a white person killing that child, well then it's all over the place. It's sick. These people use these victims for TV ratings or for PR. Where is the decency to respect the loss of lives here? "This guy died...meh....not such an interesting story. Oh wait! This guy was killed by such and such! Gotta get to work on this!" We're seeing these lives being valued depending how much they are worth self interest. It's disgusting.

Sorry i am ranting on about this, and this is a bit off topic, but the Natalie Holloway case. I mean, yes... i feel terrible what happened to her and her family. But, as if this was the first time this happened? How many girls (tourists) when going to Cancun do not come back? I like Greta on Fox, she has some great interviews, but dear God. She was obsessed with this case. Why was that case any different than other cases that happened elsewhere?

Anyway, just trying to make my point. I don't like it when the media and politicians get too involved with these stories. I just see it as a disrespect to the loss of human life in using it for self interest.

Can Obama do any right in your mind? Or does Fox News have you so brain washed?

What was he suppose to say when asked? No comment? I think like most Americans he was talking from his heart and as a parent.

No wait..your right....damn him! I can't believe Obama was taking advantage of this by holding a press conference to get some publicity for his campaign...unreal!

He did the same thing as the case with that professor by coming to conclusions. I think he should have said that he trusts the FBI in helping the case, feels sorry for the kid's family, and our judicial system will work out. Nothing more than that.

And you can shove the Fox News comment up your asshole. I may as well say you masturbate on all that is left wing source and Obama does everything right!

Quite obviously, they've been brainwashed by left-wing media. Which, by the way, is pretty much everything that isn't Fox News. People just don't realize that because the major players corroborate their spin-doctoring to make it seem like the unbiased truth. No, everything is slanted to some degree or other.

This post has been edited by Knight of Dight: Mar 24 2012, 03:15 PM

[Beamer]

What would even make you suggest that Martin could be in a gang, 101? You are ridiculous.

He's black, duh.



And what's with 101's title? I thought I always offended him, not the other way around.

[leetchie69]

What would even make you suggest that Martin could be in a gang, 101? You are ridiculous.

He's black, duh.



And what's with 101's title? I thought I always offended him, not the other way around.

And was wearing a hoodie....obviously a gang member.

Did you guys know that Zimmerman called 911 46 times over the past 8 years?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012...-abuse-911.html

[Knight of Dight]

What would even make you suggest that Martin could be in a gang, 101? You are ridiculous.

He's black, duh.



And what's with 101's title? I thought I always offended him, not the other way around.

And was wearing a hoodie....obviously a gang member.

Did you guys know that Zimmerman called 911 46 times over the past 8 years?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012...-abuse-911.html

Zimmerman is a crazy fuck.

[Paul Smachetti]

It's really not a good thing that The Black Panthers offered a bounty. Doesn't help matters

[Knight of Dight]

It's really not a good thing that The Black Panthers offered a bounty. Doesn't help matters

Nope, but look at it like this. At best, the guy is crazy. At worst, he is crazy and an unabashed racist, which is quite likely. Either way, it would probably be doing taxpayers a favor if someone capped his ass. And it would potentially avert riots, which are a reasonable possibility given the likelihood that he gets off unpunished.

This post has been edited by Knight of Dight: Mar 24 2012, 09:41 PM

[Charlie]

It's really not a good thing that The Black Panthers offered a bounty. Doesn't help matters

Nope, but look at it like this. At best, the guy is crazy. At worst, he is crazy and an unabashed racist, which is quite likely. Either way, it would probably be doing taxpayers a favor if someone capped his ass. And it would potentially avert riots, which are a reasonable possibility given the likelihood that he gets off unpunished.

THE GREATER GOOD.

[Greatone]

Your avatar creeps me out

[rightbug]

Also, Leedsy: http://blacksnob.com/snob_blog/2012/3/20/n...-being-goo.html

Thanks for that.

But that's a lie. No one came make you safe. No one can save you for that day some sick person just decides you're the bad guy because you're black and carrying a bottle of ice tea and some Skittles and he self-appointed himself neighborhood watch and some black teenage boys aren't good, therefore ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT GOOD. And you are a black person. And you're a boy. And you had on a "hooded sweatshirt." So, you're dead now.

You lose.

Sorry. You didn't follow the rules. It wasn't good enough to be "good." Why didn't you just apologize to that man for existing as he had you on the ground, gun pointed at you? Say you were sorry for being born black and apologize for all the black people in the past who may have ever thought of robbing that neighborhood or doing whatever things George Zimmerman, 28, thought black people in Sanford, Fla. were doing in his neighborhood.

It must be nice, this post-racial world some of you live in. I'm so glad some of you are ready to stand up anytime there is an accusation of racism and explain it away. Hey, it's not your kid who might one day be shot for the color of his skin. Oh, sorry, because he was wearing a hoodie, or because he ran or, because, you know, there were black people committing robberies. It's not unreasonable.

I stopped getting upset about discussions on the Internet a while ago because it's the world's most pointless thing but, seriously, fuck some of you. Keep denying that there is racism in this world. Keep explaining it away and telling us how over-sensitive and unfair we are when we try to drag it out into the light of day and say, "this is fucked up." Like we're the bad guys here, stirring the pot with our slanderous accusations that we can't prove with 100% certainty.

The bottom line is this -- If Trayvon Martin were white, he'd be alive today. So don't fucking tell me race had nothing to do with it.

[leetchie69]

http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shoote...--abc-news.html

After fatally shooting Trayvon Martin, Florida community watch captain George Zimmerman "couldn't stop crying,'' according to a family friend who spoke with him Saturday.

"After this started – the reports I got – [Zimmerman] "couldn't stop crying,'' Joe Oliver told "Good Morning America" on Sunday.

Oliver, who said he is a close friend of the family, said Zimmerman has gone into hiding, fears for his life, and is "just now becoming aware of how big this has gotten."

Sounds disingenuous and trying to get sympathy somehow.

"Up until this point, because he was there and he knows what happened, and because he's not in jail, he's been very confident – naively – that this will all blow over,'' Oliver said on GMA.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....

[VerdDogg]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...g.html?ITO=1490

[Mike B.]

I think it's possible that Zimmerman was not an overt racist, and that he regretted what he did immediately, or at least now. I think that's even consistent with Cliff's contention (which I agree with) that Martin would still be alive if he were white. I also am open to the possibility that Martin attacked Zimmerman after he was followed. That does not excuse the fact that at the very least, Zimmerman targeted a kid who by all accounts was innocently walking home carrying on with his life, that Zimmerman was overly aggressive in his own delusions of grandeur about being a hero (despite being explicitly ordered not to do so), and an innocent child is now dead because of it. He has to answer for that.

[leetchie69]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...g.html?ITO=1490

anonymous witness? I call bullshit.

"Put your name on it"

[VerdDogg]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...g.html?ITO=1490

anonymous witness? I call bullshit.

"Put your name on it"

So you are one of those.

[leetchie69]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...g.html?ITO=1490

anonymous witness? I call bullshit.

"Put your name on it"

So you are one of those.

Not sure what you are implying so I can't say yes or no

[VerdDogg]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...g.html?ITO=1490

anonymous witness? I call bullshit.

"Put your name on it"

So you are one of those.

Not sure what you are implying so I can't say yes or no

Basically no matter what comes forward from this point on that supports Zimmerman's claims you will not believe it. Anonymous witnesses have been coming forward in cases for years and have helped find people guilty and find people innocent. Because there is no name attached to the witness you are calling bullshit? Meanwhile something as stupid as an anonymous player talking bad about Sanchez...you were swearing by it to be true.

[Beamer]

I think it's possible that Zimmerman was not an overt racist, and that he regretted what he did immediately, or at least now. I think that's even consistent with Cliff's contention (which I agree with) that Martin would still be alive if he were white. I also am open to the possibility that Martin attacked Zimmerman after he was followed. That does not excuse the fact that at the very least, Zimmerman targeted a kid who by all accounts was innocently walking home carrying on with his life, that Zimmerman was overly aggressive in his own delusions of grandeur about being a hero (despite being explicitly ordered not to do so), and an innocent child is now dead because of it. He has to answer for that.

I don't think Zimmerman thought he was racist.
And I'm sure, right now, he's terrified and regrets it.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Martin attacked him. If you're a 17 year old walking back to your parents' house and some creepy older guy keeps following you in a car what do you think? Do you think he's tailing you to make sure you stay out of trouble or do you think he IS trouble? If his girlfriend's statements are accurate he thought he was being followed by a creep.

[Alitaki]

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Martin attacked him. If you're a 17 year old walking back to your parents' house and some creepy older guy keeps following you in a car what do you think? Do you think he's tailing you to make sure you stay out of trouble or do you think he IS trouble? If his girlfriend's statements are accurate he thought he was being followed by a creep.

I agree and if that's the case then Stand Your Ground shouldn't apply. You can't claim self-defense if you provoked the action.

[Alitaki]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...g.html?ITO=1490

anonymous witness? I call bullshit.

"Put your name on it"

So you are one of those.

Not sure what you are implying so I can't say yes or no

Basically no matter what comes forward from this point on that supports Zimmerman's claims you will not believe it. Anonymous witnesses have been coming forward in cases for years and have helped find people guilty and find people innocent. Because there is no name attached to the witness you are calling bullshit? Meanwhile something as stupid as an anonymous player talking bad about Sanchez...you were swearing by it to be true.

It's been what, two weeks? Now the anonymous witness steps forward? Sorry if I find that suspect. Guess I'm "one of those" too. By that regard I think that you're one of those.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...g.html?ITO=1490

anonymous witness? I call bullshit.

"Put your name on it"

So you are one of those.

Not sure what you are implying so I can't say yes or no

Basically no matter what comes forward from this point on that supports Zimmerman's claims you will not believe it. Anonymous witnesses have been coming forward in cases for years and have helped find people guilty and find people innocent. Because there is no name attached to the witness you are calling bullshit? Meanwhile something as stupid as an anonymous player talking bad about Sanchez...you were swearing by it to be true.

It's been what, two weeks? Now the anonymous witness steps forward? Sorry if I find that suspect. Guess I'm "one of those" too. By that regard I think that you're one of those.

While I'm more likely to agree with you, in this instance don't you have to listen to the witness just in case? There basically was no investigation done, so now I guess its up for the police to decide if the witness is credible, and isn't more important they cover all their bases?

EDIT: Also, I have no problem with the witness choosing to remain anonymous. With the media shitstorm that is going on, might be worth it for the investigation to keep him anonymous.

This post has been edited by xcdudesquadloves91!!!: Mar 25 2012, 12:50 PM

[VerdDogg]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21...g.html?ITO=1490

anonymous witness? I call bullshit.

"Put your name on it"

So you are one of those.

Not sure what you are implying so I can't say yes or no

Basically no matter what comes forward from this point on that supports Zimmerman's claims you will not believe it. Anonymous witnesses have been coming forward in cases for years and have helped find people guilty and find people innocent. Because there is no name attached to the witness you are calling bullshit? Meanwhile something as stupid as an anonymous player talking bad about Sanchez...you were swearing by it to be true.

It's been what, two weeks? Now the anonymous witness steps forward? Sorry if I find that suspect. Guess I'm "one of those" too. By that regard I think that you're one of those.

Listen, I have no doubt that Zimmerman is a nutbag and he should do time for what he did. But to call it a hate crime or have the media paint this picture as if Martin was on his hands and knees begging for his life and Zimmerman shot him execution style is what bothers me. To me it is highly likely Martin confronted Zimmerman for following him more than Zimmerman confronted Martin for being in the neighborhood. Zimmerman should be guilty of many things. A Hate Crime and being a Racist. Should not be any of them. The Stand your ground law should not apply because Zimmerman provoked Martin by following him. But this witness does destroy this picture painted by the media that Martin was a hapless victim. My point is, no need to fabricate an image of someone when that person didn't need it.

[VerdDogg]

And there have been witnesses in the past that had come forward months later. As long as they are credible, that is all that counts.

Now to call the witness claim bullshit because he wants to remain Anonymous...now thats bullshit.