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| John Tortorella : 2012 Adams Trophy Finalist |
 Apr 30 2012, 12:16 PM
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 The eyes are the groin of the head.  Posts: 4,153 Joined: 20-March 07 From: Lawn Guyland I Like: Jesse I Don't Like: Walt  |
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Think he takes it over Hitchcock? This post has been edited by leetchie69: Apr 30 2012, 12:19 PM |
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Apr 30 2012, 12:20 PM
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I want him to win just for the acceptance speech.
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Apr 30 2012, 12:35 PM
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 Member Posts: 2,159 Joined: 6-December 08 From: New Hyde Park, NY I Like: Corn Dogs I Don't Like: Moldy onion rolls |
QUOTE(leetchie69 @ Apr 30 2012, 01:16 PM)  I think Hitchcock takes it. He took a 14th place team, although early in the season, and drove them to 2nd place in the conference. Without ant major roster changes in the process. Tortorella is definitely deserving of the award though. Taking a team that squeaked into the playoffs last season to 1st in the conference through much of the season, getting all of his players to buy into his system, and keeping them focused while they spent preseason and the start of the season in Europe and had the drama of the Winter Classic... not to mention the cameras and crew following them around while filming 24/7. |
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Apr 30 2012, 12:54 PM
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 Perennial 3rd Liner Posts: 7,969 Joined: 4-February 09 From: Boiling Springs, pa I Like: Callahan, Sauer and PJ Stock! I Don't Like: The Devils, the city of Philadelphia and fake Pens fans. |
I think the walrus deserves it honestly.
The preseason projects for the Rangers ranged from winning the division to being a 6th seed. St. Louis was projected as a team in the 6-10 seed range. Ottawa? Most people picked them to be near the bottom or actually 15th in the conference. Instead they spent almost all year in the top 8, competed with Boston for the division until mid-March, and managed to get into the postseason. I know the non-contending teams often don't get the best coach, but I think he was a guy who presided over the biggest overachiever in the NHL this year. I actually would have replaced Dineen with Torts. Torts did a great job this year, but I just think Dineen and the other 2 nominees impressed more. -------------------- |
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Apr 30 2012, 01:36 PM
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 If u read this,u're a moron! U just read this,didnt u? Posts: 18,988 Joined: 15-March 07 From: South Florida I Like: Dr. Ben Carson |
I think Hitch should win in it.
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Apr 30 2012, 01:44 PM
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 LIKE AMARE Posts: 25,021 Joined: 29-July 08 From: New Providence, NJ I Like: The Knicks! I Don't Like: Lebronakkah |
Hitch will get it as a lifetime achievement thing. Like Hank and the Vezina.
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Apr 30 2012, 01:46 PM
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I think it's a mistake to judge a coach's job by how the media projected their season would go.
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Apr 30 2012, 01:55 PM
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Perennial 3rd Liner Posts: 7,969 Joined: 4-February 09 From: Boiling Springs, pa I Like: Callahan, Sauer and PJ Stock! I Don't Like: The Devils, the city of Philadelphia and fake Pens fans. |
Then how do you project who did the best job? When you have 16 coaches that make the playoffs, what parameters should be used to decide who is best? I'm not even trying to be a smart ass here, what do you guys believe it should be based on?
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Apr 30 2012, 01:58 PM
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Member Posts: 2,159 Joined: 6-December 08 From: New Hyde Park, NY I Like: Corn Dogs I Don't Like: Moldy onion rolls |
QUOTE(jkman61494 @ Apr 30 2012, 01:54 PM) I think the walrus deserves it honestly. The preseason projects for the Rangers ranged from winning the division to being a 6th seed. St. Louis was projected as a team in the 6-10 seed range. Ottawa? Most people picked them to be near the bottom or actually 15th in the conference. Instead they spent almost all year in the top 8, competed with Boston for the division until mid-March, and managed to get into the postseason. I know the non-contending teams often don't get the best coach, but I think he was a guy who presided over the biggest overachiever in the NHL this year. I actually would have replaced Dineen with Torts. Torts did a great job this year, but I just think Dineen and the other 2 nominees impressed more. Ottawa plays in a pretty weak division, same goes for Florida. It's a lot of games against non-playoff, weaker teams. I would've given the nomination to Dineen over Moustache (MacLean). Dineen took over a fluoundering team that was completely overhauled in the offseason, including pretty suspect goaltending, and won his division. Then again, the Panthers had the least amount of ROW of Eastern conference teams in the playoffs. Meh, it's a crapshoot really with those two. I think Laviolette and Holmgren got shafted (  ). They moved a lot of important pieces of that team and didn't skip a beat. That's impressive.Don't forget, the Rangers were pretty much thought to be fighting for a spot again by a lot of pundits prior to the season. I think it's more impressive for a team to go from "might make the playoffs" to winning the conference than it is to go from probably get a lottery pick to almost missing the playoffs. Especially considering the Rangers play in the most competitive divison in the NHL. |
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Apr 30 2012, 02:09 PM
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Perennial 3rd Liner Posts: 7,969 Joined: 4-February 09 From: Boiling Springs, pa I Like: Callahan, Sauer and PJ Stock! I Don't Like: The Devils, the city of Philadelphia and fake Pens fans. |
Holmgren should be the GM of the year to me. He overhauled the core of his team and beyond that, fixed holes. Progner went down and he was aggressive before the deadline to get not one, but two d-men. It's stuff like that that can win you a Cup.
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Apr 30 2012, 02:20 PM
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Member Posts: 2,159 Joined: 6-December 08 From: New Hyde Park, NY I Like: Corn Dogs I Don't Like: Moldy onion rolls |
QUOTE(jkman61494 @ Apr 30 2012, 03:09 PM) Holmgren should be the GM of the year to me. He overhauled the core of his team and beyond that, fixed holes. Progner went down and he was aggressive before the deadline to get not one, but two d-men. It's stuff like that that can win you a Cup. Oh hey, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Holmgren DID NOT replace Pronger. There's veery few d-men that can replace him (as hated as he is). He did a nice job plugging in those holes, but their D is a bit of a weakness. That team relies on a strong offense to win. DESPITE the weak D, and the struggles in goaltending, AND bringing in fresh faces while ousting two very important core forwards Laviolette once again has that team going deep in the postseason. I don't have a doubt that they'll get past the Devils. The guy deserved to at least get nominated. |
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Apr 30 2012, 02:29 PM
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Holmgren signed that Bryzgalov contract thus disqualifying him for the length of said contract.
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Apr 30 2012, 02:29 PM
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If u read this,u're a moron! U just read this,didnt u? Posts: 18,988 Joined: 15-March 07 From: South Florida I Like: Dr. Ben Carson |
QUOTE(jkman61494 @ Apr 30 2012, 03:09 PM) Holmgren should be the GM of the year to me. He overhauled the core of his team and beyond that, fixed holes. Progner went down and he was aggressive before the deadline to get not one, but two d-men. It's stuff like that that can win you a Cup. I'd say Holmgren, Tallon, Sather. Although Holmgren with Bryzgalov....it's a turn off that he gave out that contract to a questionable goalie. Bryzgalov could be the downfall of the Flyers. -------------------- |
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Apr 30 2012, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(jkman61494 @ Apr 30 2012, 02:55 PM) Then how do you project who did the best job? When you have 16 coaches that make the playoffs, what parameters should be used to decide who is best? I'm not even trying to be a smart ass here, what do you guys believe it should be based on? You look at the roster, the cap space, the moves made, the division (aka the quality of the competition) and how the team performed. He took a team that didn't have a whole lot up front (not one 30 goal scorer, not one player with more than 60 points) and got them to buy into a defensive system that came together and turned a goalie platoon into the best combo in the league. He did all of this while playing in the Central Division which sent four teams to the playoffs, all of them with over 100 points. By the way, they got there with the second highest ROW in the league so not a whole lot of shoot out points and only 6 loser points. Hitchcock gets the award in my opinion. --------------------  |
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Apr 30 2012, 02:45 PM
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Owner and operator of Total Bastard Productions. Posts: 14,823 Joined: 15-March 07 From: New Jersey, where the weak are killed and eaten. I Like: Minions. I Don't Like: Not having minions. |
Torts also had his leading scorer from last season utterly fall apart, though Gabby and Richards did pick up that slack.
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Apr 30 2012, 03:00 PM
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Holmgren completely shakes up the core of his team. His team drops from a 2 seed to a 5 seed, and they lose 3 standings points from last season to this season. That's GM of the year?
"Good job keeping your team at about the same talent level, Paul. Here's an award." -------------------- |
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Apr 30 2012, 03:06 PM
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 She clears the crease better than any current Ranger Posts: 5,363 Joined: 21-March 07 From: Thousand Oaks, CA I Like: effort I Don't Like: Dolan & Slats |
QUOTE(leetchie69 @ Apr 30 2012, 10:16 AM) No. This award isn't voted on by GM's like other awards - it's voted on by the press. The same press that Tort's pretty much habitually starves of both facetime and usable quotes. -------------------- Living and Breathing Rangers since '66
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Apr 30 2012, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(Dunc @ Apr 30 2012, 04:06 PM) This award isn't voted on by GM's like other awards - it's voted on by the press. The same press that Tort's pretty much habitually starves of both facetime and usable quotes. I could see saying it might cost him enough to get over the top but obviously they like him well enough considering he's a finalist. -------------------- |
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Apr 30 2012, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(Dunc @ Apr 30 2012, 04:06 PM) QUOTE(leetchie69 @ Apr 30 2012, 10:16 AM) No. This award isn't voted on by GM's like other awards - it's voted on by the press. The same press that Tort's pretty much habitually starves of both facetime and usable quotes. By "press" I think you mean the broadcasters, as opposed to the professional hockey writers, correct? -------------------- Prez: Oh. Nothing there. It's so tiny. No mere mortal can...ohhhh. You see what he just did? What? He did it again! Who is this man? Where does he come from? Can anybody stop him? Please don't hurt us, please. My eyes! My eyes! It's so big, and clear, and bright.
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Apr 30 2012, 03:14 PM
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The eyes are the groin of the head. Posts: 4,153 Joined: 20-March 07 From: Lawn Guyland I Like: Jesse I Don't Like: Walt |
QUOTE(Nilan 666 @ Apr 30 2012, 03:45 PM) Torts also had his leading scorer from last season utterly fall apart, though Gabby and Richards did pick up that slack. I chuckle sometimes when I realize that Dubinsky was the leading scorer for the 2010-2011 NY Rangers! |
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Apr 30 2012, 03:32 PM
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She clears the crease better than any current Ranger Posts: 5,363 Joined: 21-March 07 From: Thousand Oaks, CA I Like: effort I Don't Like: Dolan & Slats |
QUOTE(ak996 @ Apr 30 2012, 01:10 PM) QUOTE(Dunc @ Apr 30 2012, 04:06 PM) QUOTE(leetchie69 @ Apr 30 2012, 10:16 AM) No. This award isn't voted on by GM's like other awards - it's voted on by the press. The same press that Tort's pretty much habitually starves of both facetime and usable quotes. By "press" I think you mean the broadcasters, as opposed to the professional hockey writers, correct? Yes, and I guess that should read 'usable sound bites'. -------------------- Living and Breathing Rangers since '66
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Apr 30 2012, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(jkman61494 @ Apr 30 2012, 03:09 PM) Holmgren should be the GM of the year to me. He overhauled the core of his team and beyond that, fixed holes. Progner went down and he was aggressive before the deadline to get not one, but two d-men. It's stuff like that that can win you a Cup. Or get you a lottery pick in the next draft. -------------------- Batman uses women for sex and tactical advantages.
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Apr 30 2012, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(Kusand @ Apr 30 2012, 04:00 PM) Holmgren completely shakes up the core of his team. His team drops from a 2 seed to a 5 seed, and they lose 3 standings points from last season to this season. That's GM of the year? "Good job keeping your team at about the same talent level, Paul. Here's an award."  Ok, good point. I staand by Laviolette though!
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Apr 30 2012, 05:56 PM
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Laviolette is interesting to me mainly because the Flyers were one of those teams that were so hard to shut down. They rallied constantly. I feel like that's something you can attribute to Laviolette.
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May 2 2012, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(Kusand @ Apr 30 2012, 04:09 PM) QUOTE(Dunc @ Apr 30 2012, 04:06 PM) This award isn't voted on by GM's like other awards - it's voted on by the press. The same press that Tort's pretty much habitually starves of both facetime and usable quotes. I could see saying it might cost him enough to get over the top but obviously they like him well enough considering he's a finalist. They made him a finalist so they could then say "Fuck you" and give it to someone else. I'm not sure I would blame them either. -------------------- Home Plate Beer Kings Hockey Motto: "Win or lose we drink the booze!"
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May 2 2012, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(Paul Smachetti @ May 2 2012, 10:27 AM) QUOTE(Kusand @ Apr 30 2012, 04:09 PM) QUOTE(Dunc @ Apr 30 2012, 04:06 PM) This award isn't voted on by GM's like other awards - it's voted on by the press. The same press that Tort's pretty much habitually starves of both facetime and usable quotes. I could see saying it might cost him enough to get over the top but obviously they like him well enough considering he's a finalist. They made him a finalist so they could then say "Fuck you" and give it to someone else. I'm not sure I would blame them either. I was pretty disgusted after his game 1 press conference. Nice, softball questions as set ups to compliment his players on good plays they made, and you'd think they asked him what color the sky is. He is really quite an asshole. -------------------- RIP Ass Dan, 1981-2010.
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May 2 2012, 10:19 AM
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Yeah, you have to help to promote the game a little, and we're in the biggest market on arguably one of the most popular teams in the league. I've always felt Sather should have been more available to the media, and Tortorella does nothing but alienate those that could help get the team stories in the spotlight.
Funny, but as much as the Yankees and Giants are so much more popular than the Rangers, Girardi and Coughlin couldn't get away with half the shit Tortorella pulls with the media. -------------------- Maybe I get what you're saying, not that your argument is coherent in the least. - Brian Leeds
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May 2 2012, 10:38 AM
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 Goodbye, sweetie. Posts: 10,984 Joined: 29-April 08 From: No. I Like: No. I Don't Like: No. |
QUOTE(HDH @ May 2 2012, 11:19 AM) Yeah, you have to help to promote the game a little, and we're in the biggest market on arguably one of the most popular teams in the league. I've always felt Sather should have been more available to the media, and Tortorella does nothing but alienate those that could help get the team stories in the spotlight. Funny, but as much as the Yankees and Giants are so much more popular than the Rangers, Girardi and Coughlin couldn't get away with half the shit Tortorella pulls with the media. I agree w/you about promoting the game better--but considering the GM of the Rangers won't even talk to the NY media, why should Torts feel he has to be ultra-cooperative with them? We know he has trouble controlling his emotions, too. I think he's been so terse the last couple of weeks because he's worried if he answers the questions he gets the way he wants to, he'll be broke in a matter of days from all the fines he'd get hit with by the league. To me, he looks like he's ready to explode most of the time, especially right after losses. -------------------- QUOTE When a man tells you that he got rich through hard work, ask him: 'Whose?' --Don Marquis (1878 - 1937) |
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May 2 2012, 11:24 AM
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 I stole Ron Duguay's hair! Posts: 10,518 Joined: 15-March 07 From: Texas, there be dragons here. I Like: ado I Don't Like: adieu |
meh, Torts is just Herbing on this issue. He's got a reason for everything he does. As long as he brings home the hardware, I don't care what he has to do. Be a jerk to the media? Obee-kaybee. Whatever works.
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May 2 2012, 11:39 AM
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Who cares? Bill Belichick has been doing it for years. As long as you're winning no one gives a shit.
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May 2 2012, 11:54 AM
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Goodbye, sweetie. Posts: 10,984 Joined: 29-April 08 From: No. I Like: No. I Don't Like: No. |
I think he should just punch Larry Brooks in the face and get it over with.
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