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[ree]

Is there such a thing as a bread-suit? Because I would wear one to work. "What? I cleaned out my desk? Now you're going to tell me what I can wear to work too?"

I can't imagine it'll be very comfortable to wear but it'd be hilarious if someone walked in like that.

[ree]

Maybe they're not orthodox Jews at all but Atkinsites. That would explain the no rice and pasta part, at least.

"And our lord sayeth stick to lean proteins, eggs and green vegetables and avoid sweets at all costs."

Also on the plus side - I'm going to drop a few pounds. Helped me out last year when I had a wedding dress to fit into!

Whats with you women always thinking about losing pounds when it doesn't seem you have to!? I remember once i had like a Costanza moment where a friend just had like a salad with simple grilled chicken slices in it, and i ordered the choc souffle at the end. A small....little...souffle. Not even a bite. How is it taking her out to lunch when she barely had anything? Seriously. It does not count! She was fine in weight! Maybe even too thin!

Trust me, I have weight to lose.

[Hockey101]

Maybe they're not orthodox Jews at all but Atkinsites. That would explain the no rice and pasta part, at least.

"And our lord sayeth stick to lean proteins, eggs and green vegetables and avoid sweets at all costs."

Also on the plus side - I'm going to drop a few pounds. Helped me out last year when I had a wedding dress to fit into!

Whats with you women always thinking about losing pounds when it doesn't seem you have to!? I remember once i had like a Costanza moment where a friend just had like a salad with simple grilled chicken slices in it, and i ordered the choc souffle at the end. A small....little...souffle. Not even a bite. How is it taking her out to lunch when she barely had anything? Seriously. It does not count! She was fine in weight! Maybe even too thin!

Have you been on a week long cocaine bender?

................no.

[rightbug]

And I said she should take the food out of the building to eat it. That's my point. Keep it out of sight, leave the building then go back in. I'm not saying she should have a neon sign out saying LOOK AT ME I"VE GOT BREAD! I'm not even saying she should keep it in the fridge. Keep it in your purse and leave during lunch. What right does anyone have to look through your personal bag? And if they're doing that then yeah that's fucking bullshit. Personal property inspections? Are you kidding me?

The best part of this plan is that her employers will burn in hell and they won't know why!

CFO: Wh-what am I doing here?!

Satan: One of your co-worker's sneaked rice into the office, Passover 2012!

[rightbug]

Is there such a thing as a bread-suit? Because I would wear one to work. "What? I cleaned out my desk? Now you're going to tell me what I can wear to work too?"

Brian, your sleeve is in your soup. Are you going to eat it or can I?

[rightbug]

Have you been on a week long cocaine bender?

................no.

You lips say "no" but your ellipses say something different.

[jburns]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!

Chili cheese dogs
Corn dogs
Nachos
Cracker Jacks
Stewart's Root Beer

YAY JUNK FOOD!

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!

Chili cheese dogs
Corn dogs
Nachos
Cracker Jacks
Stewart's Root Beer

YAY JUNK FOOD!

Why do the people who don't like baseball have to eat that shit?

[Ebase]

Maybe they're not orthodox Jews at all but Atkinsites. That would explain the no rice and pasta part, at least.

"And our lord sayeth stick to lean proteins, eggs and green vegetables and avoid sweets at all costs."

Also on the plus side - I'm going to drop a few pounds. Helped me out last year when I had a wedding dress to fit into!

Whats with you women always thinking about losing pounds when it doesn't seem you have to!? I remember once i had like a Costanza moment where a friend just had like a salad with simple grilled chicken slices in it, and i ordered the choc souffle at the end. A small....little...souffle. Not even a bite. How is it taking her out to lunch when she barely had anything? Seriously. It does not count! She was fine in weight! Maybe even too thin!

Have you been on a week long cocaine bender?

................no.

That is why you are no fun...

And women can be brutal on themselves with weight. Its sad to watch.

[jburns]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!

Chili cheese dogs
Corn dogs
Nachos
Cracker Jacks
Stewart's Root Beer

YAY JUNK FOOD!

Why do the people who don't like baseball have to eat that shit?

But, believe it or not, they had ALL KINDS OF OTHER FOOD AVAILABLE, you douche nozzle.

[Hockey101]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!


Corn dogs


YAY JUNK FOOD!

I could live on those.

[leedsy99]

Just thinking about this a little more, and I invite anyone to correct my analogy is I'm way off. Imagine if a group of Saudi investors bought a major American company and decided that all female employees must wear burqas. It's an established religious belief, so you can't argue against the rationality of it. And like the defense being used here, it's their company so they should be allowed to dictate what goes on inside their office. You aren't curbing anyone else's religious choices either, as you can still be a Christian under the burqa. How is this request that much different than telling employees that they can't bring certain innocuous food items into the workplace, which I'm pretty sure was not covered anywhere in the Old Testament? I'm trying not to be anti-Semetic with this, but it seems like we're kind of shrugging our shoulders with this because it's a totally harmless rule coming from a sympathetic religious group, even though they're kinda doing the same thing as my burqa analogy.

Or how about something even sillier -- I'm an Irish-American and, in my company, all employees must wear green on St. Patrick's Day. Can't I do that? Part of me hopes that there is a disgruntled employee at Ree's business who would willful disobey this rule, get fired and then bring suit for wrongful termination as a civil rights violation. I think it would be a good avenue for some new case law.

[leedsy99]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!

Chili cheese dogs
Corn dogs
Nachos
Cracker Jacks
Stewart's Root Beer

YAY JUNK FOOD!

Why do the people who don't like baseball have to eat that shit?

It's their company, they can do what they want. No one is making them eat the food. Stop being intolerant to baseball fans.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!

Chili cheese dogs
Corn dogs
Nachos
Cracker Jacks
Stewart's Root Beer

YAY JUNK FOOD!

Why do the people who don't like baseball have to eat that shit?

It's their company, they can do what they want. No one is making them eat the food. Stop being intolerant to baseball fans.

Is there a hockey day? Football day? Basketball day? NASCAR day? I dnt think it's right that the cafeteria is pushing a pro baseball agenda on to those whond not care for the sport.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!

Chili cheese dogs
Corn dogs
Nachos
Cracker Jacks
Stewart's Root Beer

YAY JUNK FOOD!

Why do the people who don't like baseball have to eat that shit?

But, believe it or not, they had ALL KINDS OF OTHER FOOD AVAILABLE, you douche nozzle.

On a serious note burns, make sure to put extra salt on that food, to replicate the tears Boston fans will be tasting all season long.

This post has been edited by SorryaboutthatWhoa: Apr 4 2012, 11:53 AM

[jburns]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!

Chili cheese dogs
Corn dogs
Nachos
Cracker Jacks
Stewart's Root Beer

YAY JUNK FOOD!

Why do the people who don't like baseball have to eat that shit?

It's their company, they can do what they want. No one is making them eat the food. Stop being intolerant to baseball fans.

Is there a hockey day? Football day? Basketball day? NASCAR day? I dnt think it's right that the cafeteria is pushing a pro baseball agenda on to those whond not care for the sport.

Actually, there is a Super Bowl Day.

[Sed]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!

Chili cheese dogs
Corn dogs
Nachos
Cracker Jacks
Stewart's Root Beer

YAY JUNK FOOD!

Why do the people who don't like baseball have to eat that shit?

It's their company, they can do what they want. No one is making them eat the food. Stop being intolerant to baseball fans.

Is there a hockey day? Football day? Basketball day? NASCAR day? I dnt think it's right that the cafeteria is pushing a pro baseball agenda on to those whond not care for the sport.

Actually, there is a Super Bowl Day.

As hockey fans, we should ALL be outraged if our employers don't recognize the coming weeks of Spin-o-Ramadan.

[Tex]

douche nozzle.

aside
I have adapted the term "schnozzle" for use in front of my kids.
They already know all the good "bad" words anyway, but this one will be harder for their friends to use out of context.
/aside

[Tex]

okay sed is now a verb. "He seds it out of the park."

[Kusand]

Or how about something even sillier -- I'm an Irish-American and, in my company, all employees must wear green on St. Patrick's Day. Can't I do that? Part of me hopes that there is a disgruntled employee at Ree's business who would willful disobey this rule, get fired and then bring suit for wrongful termination as a civil rights violation. I think it would be a good avenue for some new case law.

Wasn't your reaction "good, fuck 'em" for the company that fired 14 people for wearing orange to the office the day before St. Patrick's Day? It feels like this isn't all that different from that scenario to me.



Anyway, re: burqa/bread, yeah, sure, I buy the analogy. Absolutely "no bread in the office" with Jews is a lot more sympathetic than "burqas for everyone" in an Islamic office. I'm sure there would be fewer people giving them a pass. But, neither strike me as that different than a ridiculously stiff dress code. Why not a "everyone must wear tuxedos to work" decree from a guy who just wants to run a really fancy-ass office? The latter is a totally non-religious rationale, but I find it similar to the bread or burqa restrictions. Can he not set a dress code or standards for the office either? I would never work in an office that required burqas, or tuxedos. Not sure that means that someone shouldn't be able to run an office that way.

This post has been edited by Kusand: Apr 4 2012, 12:55 PM

[Sed]

Why not a "everyone must wear tuxedos to work" decree from a guy who just wants to run a really fancy-ass office?

Capital idea!

[ree]

I know I was ripping my cafeteria earlier but they totally made up for it today! OPENING DAY OF BASEBALL MENU!

Chili cheese dogs
Corn dogs
Nachos
Cracker Jacks
Stewart's Root Beer

YAY JUNK FOOD!

You had me at chili cheese dogs.

[leedsy99]

Wasn't your reaction "good, fuck 'em" for the company that fired 14 people for wearing orange to the office the day before St. Patrick's Day? It feels like this isn't all that different from that scenario to me.

Because fuck those people for slighting my ancestors on our celebration day. Haven't they heard of The Troubles?

I'm not serious about that. But if I were, I still think it's a little different because (for argument's sake) wearing orange would be offensive to the traditional Irish. Can you make the same argument for keeping bread products concealed in your office drawer during Passover? Are Jews -- and I apologize for using "Jews" and adopt the Louie CK use of the word -- offended by bread consumption during the holidays?

Anyway, re: burqa/bread, yeah, sure, I buy the analogy. Absolutely "no bread in the office" with Jews is a lot more sympathetic than "burqas for everyone" in an Islamic office. I'm sure there would be fewer people giving them a pass. But, neither strike me as that different than a ridiculously stiff dress code. Why not a "everyone must wear tuxedos to work" decree from a guy who just wants to run a really fancy-ass office? The latter is a totally non-religious rationale, but I find it similar to the bread or burqa restrictions. Can he not set a dress code or standards for the office either? I would never work in an office that required burqas, or tuxedos. Not sure that means that someone shouldn't be able to run an office that way.

Where I distinguish it is that the clothing restriction (or diet or whatever) is entirely based on religious motivation, as opposed to other (and even arbitrary) reasoning: professionalism, uniformity, the desire to hopelessly bleed desire and happiness from your employees, etc. I think I would have one of those quasi-constitutional arguments that they're unfairly imposing their doctrines upon me. How I manage my diet does not infringe upon their own practice and asking the employees to honor this rule really is an extreme expression of the tradition. I'm just there to work, and "Right to Work" might be one of those unspoken penumbra of rights we have that isn't specifically outlined in the law. If someone hypothetically was fired for the sole reason of eating cookies at his desk during Passover, wouldn't the employer be really tough to defend simply from a sense of fairness? And one of the basic protections of our constitutions is general fairness.

[Sed]

I'm not serious about that. But if I were, I still think it's a little different because (for argument's sake) wearing orange would be offensive to the traditional Irish. Can you make the same argument for keeping bread products concealed in your office drawer during Passover? Are Jews -- and I apologize for using "Jews" and adopt the Louie CK use of the word -- offended by bread consumption during the holidays?

Offended? No - but if I was practicing, the penalties for knowingly consuming it during Pesach are pretty severe.

[Kusand]

I'm not serious about that. But if I were, I still think it's a little different because (for argument's sake) wearing orange would be offensive to the traditional Irish. Can you make the same argument for keeping bread products concealed in your office drawer during Passover? Are Jews -- and I apologize for using "Jews" and adopt the Louie CK use of the word -- offended by bread consumption during the holidays?

Sed more or less already said this as well, but yes. I think you could make that argument, given that from my experience, cleaning out one's "houses" of leavened bread is a Very Important Tradition, and willingly bringing it in when they've asked you (obnoxiously, granted) not to seems offensive, given that the Torah (in Exodus 12:15, yay Google) specifically says to get it out and keep it out for a week. So I could see why they'd be put out that you'd intentionally caused them to violate a command from the Torah to not have bread around.

Where I distinguish it is that the clothing restriction (or diet or whatever) is entirely based on religious motivation, as opposed to other (and even arbitrary) reasoning: professionalism, uniformity, the desire to hopelessly bleed desire and happiness from your employees, etc. I think I would have one of those quasi-constitutional arguments that they're unfairly imposing their doctrines upon me. How I manage my diet does not infringe upon their own practice and asking the employees to honor this rule really is an extreme expression of the tradition. I'm just there to work, and "Right to Work" might be one of those unspoken penumbra of rights we have that isn't specifically outlined in the law. If someone hypothetically was fired for the sole reason of eating cookies at his desk during Passover, wouldn't the employer be really tough to defend simply from a sense of fairness? And one of the basic protections of our constitutions is general fairness.

I think the difference of opinion we're having is that in my eyes they're not asking you to follow their diet; they're asking you to do whatever diet it is you want to do outside. I'm not sure if you still consider that imposing their doctrines on you, or not. I feel like it's different that they're asking you to keep their office space a certain way; not to actually alter your diet. (Considerations of expense of going out for a sandwich being ignored here for expediency of argument.) I don't think they actually expect their employees *bodies* to be bread-less; just that they not have the bread sitting around in the office.

[Tex]

(Considerations of expense of going out for a sandwich being ignored here for expediency of argument.) I don't think they actually expect their employees *bodies* to be bread-less; just that they not have the bread sitting around in the office.

so, what a cool place would do is offer a per diem for folks to be able to go out of office for lunch but not be out of pocket for it...
That would be cool.

[ree]

That would be great, actually.

My best friend's company gives their employees breakfast & lunch every day. She never has to pay for a meal.

[Kusand]

(Considerations of expense of going out for a sandwich being ignored here for expediency of argument.) I don't think they actually expect their employees *bodies* to be bread-less; just that they not have the bread sitting around in the office.

so, what a cool place would do is offer a per diem for folks to be able to go out of office for lunch but not be out of pocket for it...
That would be cool.

Yes. I almost wrote that in, but didn't want to make that parenthetical aside any longer than it had to be. That would be considerate - "we know replacing a from-home sandwich with a store-bought sandwich can be expensive; anyone working that week will receive an extra $50 in their paycheck" or something.

[Tex]

That would be great, actually.

My best friend's company gives their employees breakfast & lunch every day. She never has to pay for a meal.

I guess taking vacation or telecommuting during this time is not feasible? They really seem dickish to not have considered the costly side effect of forcing everyone to be breadless. Is there a suggestion box around the office? Put in a nice "ransom note" style suggestion about the per diem idea... If you also hafta bring in your own suggestion box, well, so be it!

[Hockey101]

Have you been on a week long cocaine bender?

................no.

You lips say "no" but your ellipses say something different.

DONT JUDGE ME!

[leedsy99]

Sed more or less already said this as well, but yes. I think you could make that argument, given that from my experience, cleaning out one's "houses" of leavened bread is a Very Important Tradition, and willingly bringing it in when they've asked you (obnoxiously, granted) not to seems offensive, given that the Torah (in Exodus 12:15, yay Google) specifically says to get it out and keep it out for a week. So I could see why they'd be put out that you'd intentionally caused them to violate a command from the Torah to not have bread around.

I think I can reply to both comments with this: I draw a distinction between "house" and the workplace. Part of this gets straight to my whole problem with orthodoxy in any religion. The rules adhered to are so badly antiquated that they run afoul of social progress or are otherwise outright ridiculous. I know -- the "silly" rules are expressions of faith. But when that expression of faith involuntarily imposes a rule on a non-believer, I kind of have a problem. Again, I distinguish between home and work. Your home is your castle. But work? People have to work in the 21st century. This is no longer the era of stone huts and agrarian economics, where a plot of land and a handful of slaves can sustain each family. Work, to me, is not a privilege, it's an obligation. We have to do it. I bristle at the idea that the worker has no say in the condition of the workplace, and I don't like the imposition that those workers are so expendable that they have to follow any and every rule or else lose their source of income. I think the workplace in America, even those privately owned, should be as neutral as possible.

And just to be clear on the next logical argument, I draw another distinction between rules that promote an activity and rules that forbid. For example, I see no problem with subjecting those of alternative faith to Christmas decorations, because it's passive. Contrast that with a rule that says that you cannot hand religiously themed decorations in the workspace. Both are designed for neutrality, but one is sterile and expressionless, which I don't like.

So in summary, I hate the Jews. Happy Passover.

[Sed]

So in summary, I hate the Jews. Happy Passover.

Mossad team, Operation: Goy Polloi is GO.

[Sed]

I think I can reply to both comments with this: I draw a distinction between "house" and the workplace.

Oh, don't get me wrong - I agree with you. I think it's pretty damned heavy-handed (and unnecessary) what they're doing in Ree's office.

[Kusand]

I think I can reply to both comments with this: I draw a distinction between "house" and the workplace.

Oh, don't get me wrong - I agree with you. I think it's pretty damned heavy-handed (and unnecessary) what they're doing in Ree's office.

You'd think they could have gone rabbi-shopping until they found a rabbi who would exempt their workplace.

[bloodorange]

My roommate keeps Kosher for Passover, which to her means she has a dedicated shelf in the fridge and a dedicated cabinet. I am obviously happy to make sure she has whatever she needs covered. But dudes, I know different groups of Jews have different restrictions, but it sounds like hers are similar to Ree's bosses' - and those of you saying there's no pasta prohibition are incorrect. She pretty much can't/won't touch grains or legumes, because her ancestral group would have considered those "things we can possibly turn into bread."

It is strict as hell, so I'd be totally fucking pissed if my workplace expected me to either go buy expensive lunch or eat matzoh for a week. No pasta, no rice, no bread, no corn products, no lentils, no chickpeas... this is way broader than "no bread what's the problem ya whiner?" Or maybe I'd get creative and bring avocado halves stuffed with tuna salad or something. but I'd still be extremely annoyed at the imposition, assuming I didn't work at an explicitly Jewish organization or something like that.

Note that my roommate does not expect me to change my eating habits, nor is she intending to throw her shrimp out of the freezer or my Chinese sweet sausage out of the fridge. (edited to add that she did ask me to make sure I kept the fruit and veggie drawers strictly limited to fruits and veggies. obviously not too much to ask. if I didn't love her [she's my high school BFF!] I could toss a bagel in there or something to be an asshole!)

This post has been edited by bloodorange: Apr 4 2012, 10:30 PM

[Sed]

Even when my in-laws still kept a Kosher kitchen, they had relatives who wouldn't eat at their house because it wasn't Kosher enough.

[bloodorange]

Even when my in-laws still kept a Kosher kitchen, they had relatives who wouldn't eat at their house because it wasn't Kosher enough.

Oh yeah. This was roomie's parents' situation (her folks keep Kosher at home all the time). But they were the ones who wouldn't eat at the relatives' houses - well, actually, this was just her father being the stickler - so he'd make her mother cook both seders for 20+ people each time. NICE!

(this caused some mild marital friction, from what I understand)

[ChokeMOut]

I live in a "conservardox" neighborhood. I also have college credits in the study of Judaism.

If I remember correctly, conservatives/orthodox can't let their agents/employees work either.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

I guess I may be the only person in the world who likse Matzah, because I never minded making Matzah sandwiches for school lunch.

I used to be pretty strict about that stuff, as my stepdads family is pretty religious. They aren´t anymore (even though my family still keeps kosher, fuck bacon), but I can understand how this whole situation can be a hassle.

[Sed]

I guess I may be the only person in the world who likse Matzah, because I never minded making Matzah sandwiches for school lunch.

I used to be pretty strict about that stuff, as my stepdads family is pretty religious. They aren´t anymore (even though my family still keeps kosher, fuck bacon), but I can understand how this whole situation can be a hassle.

No, I love matzah. In fact, when I was a little kid I didn't know the religious significance of it because my Catholic mother used to buy it all the time. Looking forward to my mother-in-law's matzah brei next week!

[xcdudesquadloves...]

I guess I may be the only person in the world who likse Matzah, because I never minded making Matzah sandwiches for school lunch.

I used to be pretty strict about that stuff, as my stepdads family is pretty religious. They aren´t anymore (even though my family still keeps kosher, fuck bacon), but I can understand how this whole situation can be a hassle.

No, I love matzah. In fact, when I was a little kid I didn't know the religious significance of it because my Catholic mother used to buy it all the time. Looking forward to my mother-in-law's matzah brei next week!

I´m going now on a crusade to find it in Corsica. I won´t, but I will definitely have to make some when I´m back in Germany next week.

Ree you should make this for lunch and breakfast. Its so good. And the jews will love you for giving it to them!

[Tex]

And the jews will love you for giving it to them!

Pfft! As IF! Share her yummy matzah? In that environment? Good luck, merfers.

[Kusand]

Buttered matzah is delicious.

[leedsy99]

Even when my in-laws still kept a Kosher kitchen, they had relatives who wouldn't eat at their house because it wasn't Kosher enough.

Oddly enough, this also touches on why I have a problem with the workplace restriction -- at some point, it becomes less about faith/tradition and more about control. And I don't say that singling out a particular faith, just using the situation in the thread to make my point.

[leetchie69]

Buttered matzah is delicious.

Agreed, something about that combo.

Matzoh Brei too!

[ree]

That would be great, actually.

My best friend's company gives their employees breakfast & lunch every day. She never has to pay for a meal.

I guess taking vacation or telecommuting during this time is not feasible? They really seem dickish to not have considered the costly side effect of forcing everyone to be breadless. Is there a suggestion box around the office? Put in a nice "ransom note" style suggestion about the per diem idea... If you also hafta bring in your own suggestion box, well, so be it!

They're ALL not going to be here. They're ALL going to fucking Mexico. Yet we still have to abide by their Passover rules when everyone that'll be in the office all week isn't Jewish.

[Alitaki]

That would be great, actually.

My best friend's company gives their employees breakfast & lunch every day. She never has to pay for a meal.

I guess taking vacation or telecommuting during this time is not feasible? They really seem dickish to not have considered the costly side effect of forcing everyone to be breadless. Is there a suggestion box around the office? Put in a nice "ransom note" style suggestion about the per diem idea... If you also hafta bring in your own suggestion box, well, so be it!

They're ALL not going to be here. They're ALL going to fucking Mexico. Yet we still have to abide by their Passover rules when everyone that'll be in the office all week isn't Jewish.

So....who is going to be checking bags again?

[ree]

The CFO of the company who will be here.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

That would be great, actually.

My best friend's company gives their employees breakfast & lunch every day. She never has to pay for a meal.

I guess taking vacation or telecommuting during this time is not feasible? They really seem dickish to not have considered the costly side effect of forcing everyone to be breadless. Is there a suggestion box around the office? Put in a nice "ransom note" style suggestion about the per diem idea... If you also hafta bring in your own suggestion box, well, so be it!

They're ALL not going to be here. They're ALL going to fucking Mexico. Yet we still have to abide by their Passover rules when everyone that'll be in the office all week isn't Jewish.

So....who is going to be checking bags again?

Yeah, this was my question. I thought the issue was random bag checks

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

The CFO of the company who will be here.

Wait a second, the CFO isn't Jewish, and he's the one who checks bags and issues all the rules? This puts a slightly different spin on things...