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> So they're for real - but what else do they need?, What acquisitions should they make before the trade deadline, if any?
Trade Deadline Acquisitions
What should the Rangers try to trade for, if anything? (Check all that apply)
Top six scoring winger [ 18 ] ** [31.03%]
Checking forward/PK/faceoff specialist [ 4 ] ** [6.90%]
2nd line center [ 2 ] ** [3.45%]
3rd line center [ 9 ] ** [15.52%]
Top pair defenseman [ 3 ] ** [5.17%]
Second/third pair defenseman [ 11 ] ** [18.97%]
Backup goaltender [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Other (specify) [ 3 ] ** [5.17%]
Nothing, they are good to go as presently construed [ 8 ] ** [13.79%]
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I think it's safe to say by now that this team is the best one we've seen in a long time, probably since the mid-90s. Two solid scoring lines, elite goal-scoring forward playing the way he should be, veteran top line center who scores clutch goals, solid 4th line grinders, two monster minute-eaters on D (once Staal gets his legs back fully), rotating cast of solid if not great second and third pair defensemen, goalie who is top 2 or 3 in the league (if not the best) and who finally seems to have shaken his propensity to slump and/or give up bad goals on a semi-regular basis. Of course anything can happen, but that's true of any team. And the Rangers, through great coaching and development, have shown they have the depth to handle big injuries (some would obviously sting a hell of a lot more than others - TOTALLY NOT MENTIONING ANY NAMES THOUGH).

And yet, something seems missing. Boyle stinks, or at least is having a terrible year. It has been a joy to see young defensemen play well in challenging spots, but I would be pretty nervous about relying on big minutes in the playoffs from guys like Bickel, McDonagh, Sauer (assuming he even gets healthy), or even MDZ. I'm even a little apprehensive about whether Stepan or Anisimov could handle the grind of an extended playoff run, but that line is flying right now, so I wouldn't tinker with it.

Championship teams very often make key pickups at the deadline to tweak their roster, even if in small ways, to fill holes. When you have a team that looks like it might make a serious run at the Conference or Cup Finals, it's worthwhile to think about trying to address needs. Recent examples include the Canucks picking up Lapierre last year, the Pens with Guerin in 2009, Bruins with Recchi that same year (they infamously got knocked out by the Canes on the Scott Walker goal, but Recchi went on to help them in subsequent seasons), Brad Stuart for the Wings in 2008, Recchi again and Doug Weight in 2006 for the Canes, etc. There are lots of examples. All of those players contributed to Finals teams, and often scored huge goals.

Me, I would really love to see a veteran third-line center brought in, and maybe a veteran D. The advantage to going after lower-tier players (instead of big name guys like St. Louis or Iginla) is that you can often get them for low draft picks and/or mid-level prospects, and they can often make big impacts. Greatone mentioned Saku Koivu in the game thread - someone like that might be a good candidate. Expiring contract, low cap hit, still productive, been around forever.

Of course, there is a lot to think about in terms of roster moves and cap numbers. Maybe they don't need anything. Just thinking out loud right now.

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Crap! I chose other but meant to pick "3rd line center." Must...go...to...sleep!

My biggest concern is with Boyle. I like the guy, but I feel more comfortable with him playing 4th line minutes rather than serving as a #3.

The team is winning, but its both good AND bad that it seems to be the same few guys (Richards, Gabby, Callahan, now Dubi, a couple of weeks ago Anisimov). It's great to get this kind of performance from them, but I can't help but think the team needs another offensive component. If a winger can be gained instead...maybe move Dubi back to center? Bobby Ryan would be an ideal partner in this scenario, but the cap issues and mystery (exactly why WOULD Anaheim wanna give up so soon on a 24-year old having just his first bad season?) are red flags. Besides, he'd need more ice time than what Torts would be able to give him. Ditto Iginla and Selaane (hypothetically).

Who's (presumably) available? Maybe Wolski can finally live up to the hype? The mind reels. Slats needs to get this year's Noonan/Matteau.


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QUOTE(Mike B. @ Jan 7 2012, 01:50 AM) *
Greatone mentioned Saku Koivu in the game thread - someone like that might be a good candidate. Expiring contract, low cap hit, still productive, been around forever.


That's intriguing. Is he a Torts kinda player, though? At his age, I can't see him crazily diving face first to block shots...not that we'd bring him here for that of course, but it seems like the kind of qualification Torts looks for.


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My biggest concern is with Boyle. I like the guy, but I feel more comfortable with him playing 4th line minutes rather than serving as a #3.


He's having a shitty year statistically, but have you noticed the huge spots he gets put on the ice? He was shifting every other minute in the last 6 of the Winter Classic to protect that lead. I'm not mad at Brian Boyle. The coach loves him, and right now the coach gets the benefit of my doubt.
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I think they need a defenseman that has a threatening point shot. The PP is the worst part about this team and I think that's a big part of the problem. PK units can collapse down low and protect the net without consequence.
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QUOTE(toph @ Jan 7 2012, 09:39 AM) *
I think they need a defenseman that has a threatening point shot. The PP is the worst part about this team and I think that's a big part of the problem. PK units can collapse down low and protect the net without consequence.


EXACTLY!!! A veteran D man who's not afraid to rip a hard slapshot from the point (I'd like to see more one-timers, too. Rebounds, rebounds, rebounds!

I don't think ditching Boyle would help. He's not a scorer. I think last season's scoring was out of his comfort zone. He's a checker, first and foremost, and he's playing with wings that can produce (even if it's not consistent scoring). He's also a good PK man.

I think Stepan and Anisimov will be just fine. That line is rolling, and, along with Gabby, I don't forsee any problems.


edit: I voted for 1st d-man, but a 2nd or 3rd will be just fine, as well.

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I don't think ditching Boyle would help. He's not a scorer. I think last season's scoring was out of his comfort zone. He's a checker, first and foremost, and he's playing with wings that can produce (even if it's not consistent scoring). He's also a good PK man.


THIS. Everyone is expecting him to score goals because of his fluke season last year. I love Boyle, but I feel like he doesn't use his size to his advantage very often. While good on the PK and he's also pretty good with faceoffs, there's just a few things he's lacking that if he picks it up - he'll be a much better player and his presence on the ice will be felt.

That being said, our power play is awful. We need that one D man that can score at the point.

I've heard Shea Weber's name being tossed around in correlation to trades - not necessarily the Rangers, though. I wouldn't mind him and his wicked shot on the team.


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Getting a 3rd line center like Koivu(a little offense, has been around awhile so nothing will scare him, played in the East for years, good on faceoffs) to bump Boyle down to the 4th line isnt an indictment on Boyle. Like I said before the season started, he is a great PK/checking center. He has a role on this team. But I don't want him as our 3rd line center when we can add some offense to matchup against the likes of Boston(Krejci-Bergeron-Seguin-Kelly).

As for a defenseman, where does he fit? We aren't trading McD, Girardi, Staal or Del Zotto. Sauer sounds like he has a chance of returning soon. And even though they have played well all season the trio of Eminger, Woywitka and Stralman aint bringing back a big return.

An outside the box idea: How about a forward with a big point shot(Rolston?) to fill that void? Comes cheaper than a PP defenseman, won't take minutes away from our D and can play on the 3rd/4th line(depending on the forward) and get his minutes on the point?

And while I think we could add a top-6 forward I am not messing with that chemistry all season.


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Didn't the Ducks GM say everyone was available BUT Koivu or Selanne?

I'm sure if Koivu open to coming here, we could trade like a 3rd round pick for him, but it seems like Murray is respecting his and Teemu's desire to not be traded.

Not that a player similar to Koivu wouldn't be a good idea. Sammy Pahlsson is having a shitty season for Columbus, but he may be a good pickup for most likely nothing of consequence.

Tampa sucks, maybe Dom Moore is available.

Olli Jokinen is in the last year of his deal with Calgary. /super troll
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As for a defenseman, where does he fit? We aren't trading McD, Girardi, Staal or Del Zotto. Sauer sounds like he has a chance of returning soon. And even though they have played well all season the trio of Eminger, Woywitka and Stralman aint bringing back a big return.

An outside the box idea: How about a forward with a big point shot(Rolston?) to fill that void? Comes cheaper than a PP defenseman, won't take minutes away from our D and can play on the 3rd/4th line(depending on the forward) and get his minutes on the point?

And while I think we could add a top-6 forward I am not messing with that chemistry all season.


You're exactly right. Rolston would be perfect. He would have one job. Take fucking slapshots. The Rangers arent making a big move for any sort of return. Other GM's are gonna lick their chops when assessing what they could want off the league leading team full of young talent.
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Right, I'm not advocating for a big move - seems like the most effective pickups are often for role players, or vets on expiring deals. When I have more time, I will look at the rosters of likely sellers and throw some names out.

And I'm not necessarily saying that they need big production in Boyle's spot. I don't expect him to be a scorer either, but is he even doing the other "little things" well this year? He's not standing out on the PK like he did last year, as someone said above he's not physical enough - so what are they getting out of that spot?

As for the d-men, you would have to make some tough decisions about making room. If Staal gets his legs back, he goes up to top pair with Girardi. Bickel can go back down to Hartford (I think he's waiver eligible, though). Who knows how effective Eminger will be when he gets back, if he does. Bring in a vet for the second line spot, and the remaining three spots go to some combo of McD, MDZ, and Sauer. Carry a 7th dman on the playoff roster. Maybe the coaching staff thinks that those guys can all handle the pressure, but I think it should at least be looked at.


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Top 4 defenseman. This is entirely a gut feeling based on the Hamhuis injury in the Cup last year. Losing a top defenseman is one of those chain effect things, where guys have to step up across all the pairings as everyone get bumped up, from 2nd to 1st, from 3rd to 2nd, from press box to 3rd. I love McD, DelZ, G, and crew, but if any of our big guns go down, that kind of stuff is hard to replace. I'd like to see a really solid top 4 type, and if I get to wish for a pony, one who's good enough to do it but enough of a locker room guy to play third pairing until they get a chance for the top 4.


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Didn't the Ducks GM say everyone was available BUT Koivu or Selanne?


The Ducks' GM is an idiot. You'll trade the 20-somethings but not the vets who don't have many years left? Sounds assbackwards to me. Granted, I know they have NTC/NMCs, but still, any sane GM would at least ask them and explore the possibility.


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While any sane person would be quite hesitant before making any sort of major move, I still believe this team is over-achieving and that if a major talent (Ryan, etc.) were to become available, moving a quality player or two in return should not be ruled out.

Would I trade, for example, Dubi, Girardi and a pick for Ryan or Getzlaf? Absolutely. It is probably a bit early for Staal to resume his first pair minutes right now, but I would trade Girardi as part of a package if the return were an elite player like Ryan.

I would also want to see what it would take to get Jeff Carter. He's obviously a little tarnished at the moment, but he has proven year after year that he can score more goals than anyone on the current Ranger roster (except for Gabby every once in a while).

Apart from that type of deal, I like the Rolston idea as he definitely rips it and due to his age and nasty contract should cost nothing from a personnel standpoint.


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QUOTE(Dunc @ Jan 7 2012, 05:14 PM) *
Would I trade, for example, Dubi, Girardi and a pick for Ryan or Getzlaf? Absolutely. It is probably a bit early for Staal to resume his first pair minutes right now, but I would trade Girardi as part of a package if the return were an elite player like Ryan.


Which is fine because you believe they are over-achieving. I dont. I think Tortorella's system works with the right players and he has them.

That deal you propose effectively disassembles the lockerroom of the NHL's leading team right now for a player leading the NHL's worst team.

I dunno. Count me in for a minor tweak.. a point shot. Or Shea Weber. And thats about it. I'm sticking with my guys. I think Derek Stepan is the real deal.

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To clarify my comment about Stepan in regards to Getzlaf..

Of your top two centers, one makes a big play every game and is here for the next decade.. The other is centering a guy competing for a goal scoring trophy. Top two centers are just fine.

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QUOTE(Chris4 @ Jan 7 2012, 09:33 AM) *
QUOTE(Dunc @ Jan 7 2012, 05:14 PM) *
Would I trade, for example, Dubi, Girardi and a pick for Ryan or Getzlaf? Absolutely. It is probably a bit early for Staal to resume his first pair minutes right now, but I would trade Girardi as part of a package if the return were an elite player like Ryan.


Which is fine because you believe they are over-achieving. I dont. I think Tortorella's system works with the right players and he has them.

That deal you propose effectively disassembles the lockerroom of the NHL's leading team right now for a player leading the NHL's worst team.

I dunno. Count me in for a minor tweak.. a point shot. Or Shea Weber. And thats about it. I'm sticking with my guys. I think Derek Stepan is the real deal.


The indicator that they are over-achieving is the number of games that require Henrik to flex his super-powers in order for the Rangers to have a chance to win - which is at least 50% of their games so far this season. The Rangers are seldom overwhelming - they just keep finding a way to squeak by. This is definitely better than in previous years, where the Rangers kept finding a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but Boston, Vancouver, Detroit, and Chicago all seem like scarier teams to me.

I named those two particular players for a reason - Girardi because he is good enough to get the talks going for a difference maker in return, and Dubi because he has just started to revive the faded embers of his trade value. Would it be a punch in the gut for the team? Absolutely. Would they get over it? Absolutely. They are not a bunch of little kids; they are pros who are playing to win and they will deal with a trade should one occur.

As for the return, I would take Shea Weber for Girardi, Dubi and a pick. I cited Ryan and Getzlaf as great talents - not as the only ones I think are worthy of consideration.

I also think Stepan is the real deal and have never posted anything with even a hint of a whisper that he should be moved.





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I also think Stepan is the real deal and have never posted anything with even a hint of a whisper that he should be moved.


I know ya didnt.. I'm just saying.. If you made a move for a top center like Ryan Getzlaf, you're taking away Derek Stepan's minutes. That's no good.

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QUOTE(Dunc @ Jan 7 2012, 12:56 PM) *
The indicator that they are over-achieving is the number of games that require Henrik to flex his super-powers in order for the Rangers to have a chance to win - which is at least 50% of their games so far this season. The Rangers are seldom overwhelming - they just keep finding a way to squeak by. This is definitely better than in previous years, where the Rangers kept finding a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but Boston, Vancouver, Detroit, and Chicago all seem like scarier teams to me.


I get Boston/Vancouver/Detroit, who incidentally are the top 3 teams in GD. (Rangers? 4th.) All teams with top 10 defenses and offenses. (Hi, Rangers! So do you.) Probably three of the best teams in the league. I think you're underrating the Rangers' achievements this year. Everything says this is for real, unlike good early starts in the Rangers' past. But...

Chicago? They seem pretty meh. Only 20 regulation/OT wins, terrible team defense. What's that impressive about them? They won the Cup a few years ago and Toews/Kane/Hossa/Keith/Sharp are all good players, but their goaltending is crap this year. They're much more of a team "squeaking by" than the Rangers.


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This is more for the offseason but I'd like them to kick the tires in Columbus for Carter.

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This is more for the offseason. It I'd like them to kick the tires in Columbus for Carter.


I feel like his price would be huge. Trading him now would be like giving up and admitting the GM fucked up bad.

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QUOTE(Kusand @ Jan 7 2012, 01:34 PM) *
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This is more for the offseason. It I'd like them to kick the tires in Columbus for Carter.


I feel like his price would be huge. Trading him now would be like giving up and admitting the GM fucked up bad.


I get that but he's not happy there - 10 goals, 17 points, -8. The trade is a bust and I think if he makes it to the offseason we might be able to get him for some prospects, & picks.

Again though, just saying it should be looked into. Not sure I want to give up a roster player for him at the deadline but it is an interesting option.


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I know the return is huge with someone like Getzlaf but I just can't trade Girardi. It's silly and clearly sentimental but man, that would hurt me. I just love that guy. That's my next Jersey.

I think the answer is what most of you have said -- a 3rd line center and Boyle could be more effective on the 4th line.
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Girardi saved our bacon while Staal was out. People talk about DZ's resurgence but Girardi has been stellar this season too. At this point, I wouldn't trade him for anything short of Weber.

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I know the return is huge with someone like Getzlaf but I just can't trade Girardi. It's silly and clearly sentimental but man, that would hurt me. I just love that guy. That's my next Jersey.

I think the answer is what most of you have said -- a 3rd line center and Boyle could be more effective on the 4th line.


I think trading Girardi would be one of the biggest mistakes that Sather would ever make.


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The return you could get for a player like Girardi is intriguing, but it would be tough to see this season. They look poised to make a run, and Girardi is a big reason for that. Also, as I said above, I think we're already shaky with the lack of veteran presence on D. If anything, I'd be looking to add to the d-corps.


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Would I trade, for example, Dubi, Girardi and a pick for Ryan or Getzlaf? Absolutely. It is probably a bit early for Staal to resume his first pair minutes right now, but I would trade Girardi as part of a package if the return were an elite player like Ryan.


Which is fine because you believe they are over-achieving. I dont. I think Tortorella's system works with the right players and he has them.

That deal you propose effectively disassembles the lockerroom of the NHL's leading team right now for a player leading the NHL's worst team.

I dunno. Count me in for a minor tweak.. a point shot. Or Shea Weber. And thats about it. I'm sticking with my guys. I think Derek Stepan is the real deal.


The indicator that they are over-achieving is the number of games that require Henrik to flex his super-powers in order for the Rangers to have a chance to win - which is at least 50% of their games so far this season. The Rangers are seldom overwhelming - they just keep finding a way to squeak by. This is definitely better than in previous years, where the Rangers kept finding a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but Boston, Vancouver, Detroit, and Chicago all seem like scarier teams to me.

You are seriously underestimating this team. And you are seriously underestimating Lundqvist and I don't know why. Henke flexing his "super-powers"? Really? How about Lundqvist's is showing/maturing-into his true talent level? I can't recall ever seeing Lundqvist stare down a player so hard like he did Kunitz last night after making that glove save. This is the Lundqvist we've been waiting for. The Lundqvist who can't be beat on the glove side; the Lundqvist who can make that crucial save late in the game; the Lundqvist that can put his team on his shoulders and win games almost single-handedly. That's what Thomas can do. That's what the likes of Richter and Roy could do. That is what elite goaltenders do--and that is the company he is in now. Not just elite because fans like to think he is, but elite because his actions have made him so. Also, finding a way to win games they shouldn't is what elite teams do. Not to read too much into this team's future but, the '91-'92 and '93-'94 teams did that, too. Especially the '93-'94 team.

And who on the team is overachieving? Gaborik? Richards? No, they're playing the way they should. Callahan? No, same with him. Girardi? McDonagh? No, they're playing at their actual level of ability. Anisimov? Finally growing into his skills. If anything, there are players underachieving. Dubinsky had been absent until now. Boyle? He overachieved last season. If he can put in 10 goals, it'll be a successful season for him because otherwise, he's playing the way he should.

I agree with Chris. Torts' system is working with the right players. And I agree that Boston, Vancouver, Detroit, and Chicago are scary teams. But the Rangers are right below them. They've become the scary team, too. That's not overachieving, that's progress.


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The return you could get for a player like Girardi is intriguing, but it would be tough to see this season. They look poised to make a run, and Girardi is a big reason for that. Also, as I said above, I think we're already shaky with the lack of veteran presence on D. If anything, I'd be looking to add to the d-corps.


My thoughts exactly. Girardi has stepped up this season the way that I felt he always could starting from his rookie season.

I'd add to the D as I said above, but aside from Shea Weber...who's out there? Montreal just signed Josh Gorges for six years so my dreams of Josh being a Ranger are squashed. Next?


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I'd add to the D as I said above, but aside from Shea Weber...who's out there?


As far as big names? None. But that one you mention is going to be available this summer. The Predators wouldnt give him his long term deal last summer. He wins the biggest arb award in history of the NHL, and on that one year deal he got he's going to win a Norris Trophy. Nashville cant afford the highest paid defenseman in the league.

Ryan McDonagh + Dubi + a second rounder and this is a reality.

However.. that aint till the summer.

I'm going to war with this team and tweak this season. And by tweak I mean whatever bullshit Sather wants to swap with Phoenix and that'll be it. I cannot see a big move. Team is too good right now.

The biggest move I could see would be for Vinny Prospal.

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I'd add to the D as I said above, but aside from Shea Weber...who's out there?


As far as big names? None. But that one you mention is going to be available this summer. The Predators wouldnt give him his long term deal last summer. He wins the biggest arb award in history of the NHL, and on that one year deal he got he's going to win a Norris Trophy. Nashville cant afford the highest paid defenseman in the league.

Ryan McDonagh + Dubi + a second rounder and this is a reality.

However.. that aint till the summer.

I'm going to war with this team and tweak this season. And by tweak I mean whatever bullshit Sather wants to swap with Phoenix and that'll be it. I cannot see a big move. Team is too good right now.


From what a very reliable source told me, McD's not going anywhere. I'm sure Dubi would be on the block in a package with others to get Weber.

I can't see them making a big move at all for the same reason you just stated - they're too good right now.


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From what a very reliable source told me, McD's not going anywhere. I'm sure Dubi would be on the block in a package with others to get Weber.

I can't see them making a big move at all for the same reason you just stated - they're too good right now.


That source is probably damn well correct, but I'm just saying that's where it would start.
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From what a very reliable source told me, McD's not going anywhere. I'm sure Dubi would be on the block in a package with others to get Weber.

I can't see them making a big move at all for the same reason you just stated - they're too good right now.


That source is probably damn well correct, but I'm just saying that's where it would start.


Absolutely. It would be such a back and forth negotiation to make that trade happen.


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Would I trade, for example, Dubi, Girardi and a pick for Ryan or Getzlaf? Absolutely. It is probably a bit early for Staal to resume his first pair minutes right now, but I would trade Girardi as part of a package if the return were an elite player like Ryan.


Which is fine because you believe they are over-achieving. I dont. I think Tortorella's system works with the right players and he has them.

That deal you propose effectively disassembles the lockerroom of the NHL's leading team right now for a player leading the NHL's worst team.

I dunno. Count me in for a minor tweak.. a point shot. Or Shea Weber. And thats about it. I'm sticking with my guys. I think Derek Stepan is the real deal.


The indicator that they are over-achieving is the number of games that require Henrik to flex his super-powers in order for the Rangers to have a chance to win - which is at least 50% of their games so far this season. The Rangers are seldom overwhelming - they just keep finding a way to squeak by. This is definitely better than in previous years, where the Rangers kept finding a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but Boston, Vancouver, Detroit, and Chicago all seem like scarier teams to me.

You are seriously underestimating this team. And you are seriously underestimating Lundqvist and I don't know why. Henke flexing his "super-powers"? Really? How about Lundqvist's is showing/maturing-into his true talent level? I can't recall ever seeing Lundqvist stare down a player so hard like he did Kunitz last night after making that glove save. This is the Lundqvist we've been waiting for. The Lundqvist who can't be beat on the glove side; the Lundqvist who can make that crucial save late in the game; the Lundqvist that can put his team on his shoulders and win games almost single-handedly. That's what Thomas can do. That's what the likes of Richter and Roy could do. That is what elite goaltenders do--and that is the company he is in now. Not just elite because fans like to think he is, but elite because his actions have made him so. Also, finding a way to win games they shouldn't is what elite teams do. Not to read too much into this team's future but, the '91-'92 and '93-'94 teams did that, too. Especially the '93-'94 team.

And who on the team is overachieving? Gaborik? Richards? No, they're playing the way they should. Callahan? No, same with him. Girardi? McDonagh? No, they're playing at their actual level of ability. Anisimov? Finally growing into his skills. If anything, there are players underachieving. Dubinsky had been absent until now. Boyle? He overachieved last season. If he can put in 10 goals, it'll be a successful season for him because otherwise, he's playing the way he should.

I agree with Chris. Torts' system is working with the right players. And I agree that Boston, Vancouver, Detroit, and Chicago are scary teams. But the Rangers are right below them. They've become the scary team, too. That's not overachieving, that's progress.


I find it utterly bizarre that anyone would twist an inference that Lundqvist has super-powers as underestimating him.


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I picked 3rd line center. Someone to play with Hagelin and get a little more depth offense.

Chris Kelly would be nice, but he's not leaving Boston.
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Rene Bourque although a wing would thrive in Torts system.
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All might be fairly cheap

But really, I think Prospal's coming back at the deadline.
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Would I trade, for example, Dubi, Girardi and a pick for Ryan or Getzlaf? Absolutely. It is probably a bit early for Staal to resume his first pair minutes right now, but I would trade Girardi as part of a package if the return were an elite player like Ryan.


Which is fine because you believe they are over-achieving. I dont. I think Tortorella's system works with the right players and he has them.

That deal you propose effectively disassembles the lockerroom of the NHL's leading team right now for a player leading the NHL's worst team.

I dunno. Count me in for a minor tweak.. a point shot. Or Shea Weber. And thats about it. I'm sticking with my guys. I think Derek Stepan is the real deal.


The indicator that they are over-achieving is the number of games that require Henrik to flex his super-powers in order for the Rangers to have a chance to win - which is at least 50% of their games so far this season. The Rangers are seldom overwhelming - they just keep finding a way to squeak by. This is definitely better than in previous years, where the Rangers kept finding a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but Boston, Vancouver, Detroit, and Chicago all seem like scarier teams to me.

You are seriously underestimating this team. And you are seriously underestimating Lundqvist and I don't know why. Henke flexing his "super-powers"? Really? How about Lundqvist's is showing/maturing-into his true talent level? I can't recall ever seeing Lundqvist stare down a player so hard like he did Kunitz last night after making that glove save. This is the Lundqvist we've been waiting for. The Lundqvist who can't be beat on the glove side; the Lundqvist who can make that crucial save late in the game; the Lundqvist that can put his team on his shoulders and win games almost single-handedly. That's what Thomas can do. That's what the likes of Richter and Roy could do. That is what elite goaltenders do--and that is the company he is in now. Not just elite because fans like to think he is, but elite because his actions have made him so. Also, finding a way to win games they shouldn't is what elite teams do. Not to read too much into this team's future but, the '91-'92 and '93-'94 teams did that, too. Especially the '93-'94 team.

And who on the team is overachieving? Gaborik? Richards? No, they're playing the way they should. Callahan? No, same with him. Girardi? McDonagh? No, they're playing at their actual level of ability. Anisimov? Finally growing into his skills. If anything, there are players underachieving. Dubinsky had been absent until now. Boyle? He overachieved last season. If he can put in 10 goals, it'll be a successful season for him because otherwise, he's playing the way he should.

I agree with Chris. Torts' system is working with the right players. And I agree that Boston, Vancouver, Detroit, and Chicago are scary teams. But the Rangers are right below them. They've become the scary team, too. That's not overachieving, that's progress.


I find it utterly bizarre that anyone would twist an inference that Lundqvist has super-powers as underestimating him.

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Have to say, I didn't think Ray Whitney was still in the league, let alone putting up 35 points in 41 games.


Have you seen his stats the last 10 years? He's only had one season where he didn't put up at least 50 points. He's amazing.

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I'd always shoot for Top Six talent. I know I know...chemistry cohesion blah blah blah. If the player is a good citizen and willing to play in the manner which is required, then you jump at the chance to upgrade your offensive talent. As for trading players...they come and they go. We have to assume for the sake of sanity that the deal will be fair and fruitful.

Remember that depth is imperative at the end the year. So while we worry about players losing ice time or getting displaced by newcomers...players drop like flies with the grind of the long season followed by bruising playoff games. Stack up the talent!

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I chose a 2/3rd pair defensman. Not that I think the defense is a weak spot, but if you can get a veteran defensman to go back there, it would be huge. Eminger and Woywitka are the senior D men at 28. A "been there/done that" guy on the blue line is the only thing they are missing (barring some uspeakable occurance).

I would NOT mess with Boyle's place or ice time. Offensively, last year was a fluke...but that's not why he's here. He's a checking line center. Any offense you get from him is pure bonus.

A little perspective here....the Rangers oldest player is the backup goalie...and he's not that old (34....but I'm 38...so anyone younger than me is not that old). I'd be infavor of bringing in almost any proven veteran as a "loaner" provided the price is not too high. Don't ask me who I'd be willing to give up, cause I'm not sure.

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Maybe its time to sell high with one of our d-men. If there truly available guys like perry, getzlaf, staal, ryan don't come around too often. Not sure what asking price would be. Also eventually our d is going to have to get paid. Can't keep them at these prices for too long

This is long term.

Short term for the playoffs, a guy like Rene Bourque would be good. He's been cold lately. Someone with decent hands and drives to the net always helps especially in the playoffs when things get tough
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