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[Melvin]

By the way...I'm working on stuff for my pay league and realized that I'm really not going to have the time to also run/play in the Rangerland Yahoo league this year. So, I'd like to offer up the job of creating and running the league to any of the regulars. Damn kids taking up my spare time.

This post has been edited by Melvin: Aug 20 2008, 07:52 PM

[toc93]

This is the one league that I havent played with you guys on this site. If no one wants to set it up, I can.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

This is the one league that I havent played with you guys on this site. If no one wants to set it up, I can.

being the league n00b is there anyway I can get in on this?

[Batshit Insane]

I'd do it, but Ive gotten complaints about how I run the baseball league.. So, Im not dealing with that shit, unless nobody else wants to.

[Batshit Insane]

being the league n00b is there anyway I can get in on this?

If I run the league, Im likely going to make it an invite only league. Got any credentials? Hav eyou done a FHL league yet? Any other sport? I'd be looking for non deadbeat GM's. Guys who dont quit halfway into the season because they arent in 1st place, or if they just lose interest.

[leedsy99]

Seeing as how I don't have a fantasy football team to run this season, I'd be willing to run a super-awesome fantasy hockey league. BUT I have one major caveat for doing this: I want to run a strictly Eastern Conference league.

Here's my argument for doing this. I always lose interest in a fantasy season because, with the way that the schedule works and the lack of a good TV deal, the Western Conference is almost a non-entity. Unless you're a diehard, it's nearly impossible to keep up with the day-to-day activity of all thirty teams. I don't have the time to do this, especially when injuries and linemates are such a crucial factor to the success of a fantasy team. Cutting the player pool in half will alleviate this problem. Also, I assume that most of us, and all in the league, are fans of New York hockey, which means that we'll be more in tune with what is going on in both the Atlantic Division and the teams that the Rangers are competing with. I can name the entire Devils roster, but I'd struggle to name five Chicago Blackhawks. Lastly, you don't miss out on the premier players in the game: Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Brodeur, Lecavalier, Nylander, Ryan Hollweg, and all of the New York Rangers are in the talent pool. Even better, checking the stats, six of the top ten scoring forwards are Eastern Conference (without including Crosby) and six of the top ten defensemen. The only possible problem is a lack of goalies, though I'd structure scoring so that you only start one goalie on any given night. In a 10-12 team league, every team should be able to find a goalie that will start around 60 games while adding one backup. Hording goalies could be a strategy, but that team would handicap themselves with a lack of scorers.

Rosters would probably be six forwards, four defensemen, one goalie, one utility player, and four bench spots. Ten to twelve teams, depending on interest. Tentatively scheduling the draft for September 28.

Anyone interested? Yahoo should have fantasy hockey ready to set up in about three weeks or so.

[Rocha]

I love the idea since I'm in the same boat and havet paid barely any attention to the Western conference since pre-lockout, but how would you do it? Would we just not draft or pick up players on a Western team?

If one of your Eastern players gets traded to a Wester team during the season, you should still be allowed to keep him, I think. That would be rough if someone owned a big time Eastern player and lost him because he was traded to the West.

[xcheck24]

Would there be enough players to fuel such a league?

[Dr. D]

I'm in.

[leedsy99]

I love the idea since I'm in the same boat and havet paid barely any attention to the Western conference since pre-lockout, but how would you do it? Would we just not draft or pick up players on a Western team?

That's a problem. I doubt that Yahoo filters would allow certain players to be excluded, and all it would take was one person to not show or have computer issues to screw everything up. Here's my suggestion to fix this. Does Yahoo allow you to set up a league and have the commissioner create the rosters without using a draft? If so, we could find a way to create a temporary chat room and draft on our own. Anyone no-showing gets the top available (or next preranked) EC player assigned to them. It would be a bitch to monitor, but I'd be willing keep track. I'd love to say that the easiest thing to do is to just insist that everyone show for the draft, but we know that that ain't happening. I'd rather see people end up with the players they want and do some extra work than take the chance of someone being fucked by the technology.

If one of your Eastern players gets traded to a Wester team during the season, you should still be allowed to keep him, I think.

You still get his production, even if he's west coast. And if a player comes into the east, he's available on the waiver wire.

[leedsy99]

Would there be enough players to fuel such a league?

Um, there are enough actual players to fuel a 15-team league with 20 roster spots. So fueling a 10-12 team league with only 17 spots shouldn't be so tough.

This is one of the reasons why I like this idea. Toward the late round guys like Petr Prucha, Ryan Callahan and maybe even the Bang PI might get taken. Imagine picking Prucha in the 14th round and having him score 30 goals in your utility spot.

[Melvin]

That's a problem. I doubt that Yahoo filters would allow certain players to be excluded, and all it would take was one person to not show or have computer issues to screw everything up. Here's my suggestion to fix this. Does Yahoo allow you to set up a league and have the commissioner create the rosters without using a draft? If so, we could find a way to create a temporary chat room and draft on our own. Anyone no-showing gets the top available (or next preranked) EC player assigned to them. It would be a bitch to monitor, but I'd be willing keep track. I'd love to say that the easiest thing to do is to just insist that everyone show for the draft, but we know that that ain't happening. I'd rather see people end up with the players they want and do some extra work than take the chance of someone being fucked by the technology.
You still get his production, even if he's west coast. And if a player comes into the east, he's available on the waiver wire.

Unless they've changed things drastically, I don't think they allow you to limit the player pool to conferences. As commissioner, you do have total control over everyone's roster, so you can input the draft and change things around how ever you want (my pay league does on offline draft). But, with the whole EC-Only thing, you may want to check out ESPN (it's free now I think) or another site.

[Bavoo]

I'm in...

And BI, if you are running this league, please disregard my baseball fiasco. I'm not going to beg or anything, but hockey is my 1st love and my life has simmered down a bit. Just check out my Yahoo history.

Leeds, if you take it...I'd also like to be in...if you can pull it off.

[Mike18]

I usually play, and would be willing to do so again.

I like Leeds idea too. This stuff gets a bit monotonous when you do the same thing every year, and I think if we change it up a bit I may just stay interested a bit longer.

I'm not sure how, but i'd suggest making the rosters a bit smaller. When Hollweg gets picked in the last round, the free agent list will have very little to pick from and an injury to a star could seal your fate for the season. Maybe just removing the utility spot would be enough.

[leedsy99]

I'm not sure how, but i'd suggest making the rosters a bit smaller. When Hollweg gets picked in the last round, the free agent list will have very little to pick from and an injury to a star could seal your fate for the season. Maybe just removing the utility spot would be enough.

Good point. I'll look into it. You do want an active pool of available players. When Nik Zherdev misses two weeks with a strained vagina, you should be able to add someone capable of at least half his production. Actually, I guess this is a bad example, as everyone in the league will be capable of half his production. Because he sucks. At hockey. Not very good at the game of hockey. I just want to make that clear.

Anyway, maybe we do six skaters, four defense, one goalie, and three bench spots. Fifteen NHL teams = 300 players. 14 roster spots in 10-team league means that 50% of active players will be available in the FA pool. This is also a helpful alternative, because another annoying fantasy hockey mainstay is having to update your roster daily. Obviously we'll work out season game limits, but I like the idea of having to ride out your season without 10,000 roster moves.

[Kusand]

I'd be down for the Eastern Conference league. Sounds fun, and it's also kind of snooty in the same way that AL/NL-only leagues are.

[Alitaki]

I'll run it if noone else wants to.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

If I run the league, Im likely going to make it an invite only league. Got any credentials? Hav eyou done a FHL league yet? Any other sport? I'd be looking for non deadbeat GM's. Guys who dont quit halfway into the season because they arent in 1st place, or if they just lose interest.

I went from last place in my fantasy hockey league to first at the end of the season last year. I started off slow then my sleeper picks just started to own. Who ever thought Tomas Plekanec would end up as Montreal's first line center? I blew in the the finals and came in second in my league. If you guys are going to have a 15-20 team league you have to get rid of the utility spots. Also, keep in mind people may start the season and end decide they can't keep going intense, in that case whoever is in the comish office has to consider fair trades from bottom teams. I tried to get Crosby for 4 decent players from a team that was out of the playoffs by week 3 but the comish was a power hungry fiend and declined all these fair trades. Just had to put that idea out there, but I would love to join and have loads of fantasy hockey experience!

[toc93]

Seeing as how I don't have a fantasy football team to run this season, I'd be willing to run a super-awesome fantasy hockey league. BUT I have one major caveat for doing this: I want to run a strictly Eastern Conference league.

Here's my argument for doing this. I always lose interest in a fantasy season because, with the way that the schedule works and the lack of a good TV deal, the Western Conference is almost a non-entity. Unless you're a diehard, it's nearly impossible to keep up with the day-to-day activity of all thirty teams. I don't have the time to do this, especially when injuries and linemates are such a crucial factor to the success of a fantasy team. Cutting the player pool in half will alleviate this problem. Also, I assume that most of us, and all in the league, are fans of New York hockey, which means that we'll be more in tune with what is going on in both the Atlantic Division and the teams that the Rangers are competing with. I can name the entire Devils roster, but I'd struggle to name five Chicago Blackhawks. Lastly, you don't miss out on the premier players in the game: Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Brodeur, Lecavalier, Nylander, Ryan Hollweg, and all of the New York Rangers are in the talent pool. Even better, checking the stats, six of the top ten scoring forwards are Eastern Conference (without including Crosby) and six of the top ten defensemen. The only possible problem is a lack of goalies, though I'd structure scoring so that you only start one goalie on any given night. In a 10-12 team league, every team should be able to find a goalie that will start around 60 games while adding one backup. Hording goalies could be a strategy, but that team would handicap themselves with a lack of scorers.

Rosters would probably be six forwards, four defensemen, one goalie, one utility player, and four bench spots. Ten to twelve teams, depending on interest. Tentatively scheduling the draft for September 28.

Anyone interested? Yahoo should have fantasy hockey ready to set up in about three weeks or so.

Thats an interesting idea. Ive never done a hockey league like that (Ive done an AL only baseball league. I would definitely be in. We probably would have to do a private chat for the draft and thats fine by me.

Edit: It looks as though ESPN can handle this...
http://games.espn.go.com/fhl/content?page=...rulescustom2009

Is espn free?

Edit again: Espn is free and can do an Eastern only players league. I was going to set it up but im not sure how you guys like to play fantasy hockey on this board (point based, head to head...etc). Im cool with Leeds' suggestions for the rosters.

This post has been edited by toc93: Aug 23 2008, 11:12 PM

[Alitaki]

Thats an interesting idea. Ive never done a hockey league like that (Ive done an AL only baseball league. I would definitely be in. We probably would have to do a private chat for the draft and thats fine by me.

Edit: It looks as though ESPN can handle this...
http://games.espn.go.com/fhl/content?page=...rulescustom2009

Is espn free?

Edit again: Espn is free and can do an Eastern only players league. I was going to set it up but im not sure how you guys like to play fantasy hockey on this board (point based, head to head...etc). Im cool with Leeds' suggestions for the rosters.

I'm in for this. Also if there is a demand for a regular league I can set one up on Yahoo.

BTW, is our 3 season keeper league still valid or did it finish last year?

[VerdDogg]

I'm in, but I thought after the ESPN Keeper League we did for the past 3 years, we all agreed to never use them again?

[Rocha]

I'm in, but I thought after the ESPN Keeper League we did for the past 3 years, we all agreed to never use them again?

They're free now. We had to pay for the awful service we got. Plus, they're the only ones who can do the Eastern Conf. Only thing.

Set 'er up, Brian.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

They're free now. We had to pay for the awful service we got. Plus, they're the only ones who can do the Eastern Conf. Only thing.

Set 'er up, Brian.

how do I get in on this?

[Kusand]

how do I get in on this?

You have to hold a contest wherein you buy someone (read: me) a video game system.

[RedHerring]

You have to hold a contest wherein you buy someone (read: me) a video game system.

I still can't believe that happened.

[leedsy99]

They're free now. We had to pay for the awful service we got. Plus, they're the only ones who can do the Eastern Conf. Only thing.

Do we all trust ESPN to do things right? I don't. Also, do they allow for commissioner control of the rosters and scoring? This idea won't work well on their former scoring system with two starting goalies.

[Melvin]

Do we all trust ESPN to do things right? I don't. Also, do they allow for commissioner control of the rosters and scoring? This idea won't work well on their former scoring system with two starting goalies.

Didn't they ban you a few years ago anyway? Aren't you on some watch list of theirs?

[Mike B.]

I'm in, if there are still spots open. To Badseed's concerns, I've never done hockey before, but I was in a football league for about 10 years. I was active to the end even when my teams were out of it, mostly because I wanted to stick it to my a-hole friends who rubbed it in that I was out of a playoff spot. I imagine I would feel the same way about you mofos.

[leedsy99]

I'm in, if there are still spots open.

Before this becomes a potential problem, we're going with a ten-team league and I'm giving preference to all the mods here, because I like them better. But I'm going to set the league early, so if someone wants to start another league with anyone shut out, they'll be plenty of time. You can even use the same parameters and we can combine the two, or more interestingly maybe someone can run just a Western Conference league and we'll comparing standings/points.

[toc93]

Before this becomes a potential problem, we're going with a ten-team league and I'm giving preference to all the mods here, because I like them better. But I'm going to set the league early, so if someone wants to start another league with anyone shut out, they'll be plenty of time. You can even use the same parameters and we can combine the two, or more interestingly maybe someone can run just a Western Conference league and we'll comparing standings/points.

I found the espn thing so I should be in.... .

Seriously, I would like to be in but if i cant, no hard feelings. I would just have someone else start your cars for the time being.

[Bavoo]

So they guys that were in last year's league are out?

Wow...

Came in 2nd BTW

[Alitaki]

So they guys that were in last year's league are out?

Wow...

Came in 2nd BTW

Because there has to be one league? We'll setup multiple leagues.



BTW, I went through the ESPN process of setting up a league. Holy shit is it detailed. Right down to controlling how many weeks in the schedule, how many weeks per matchup. Nice job ESPN.

Anyway, you can limit the roster sizes and positions. The stat selection is a little retarded IMO (they don't combine special team points, a favorite of mine), but real nice otherwise.

[Rocha]

I guess Leeds is the boss of this so he can set it up how he likes, but we should take a head count to see how many people we're working with. Personally, I'd be willing to do an East-only league with up to 15 teams with no more than 6 forward slots (and no util slot) per team. That's like a pool of every Eastern team's top two lines and should be easily workable for a bunch of hockey fans. I could see why we wouldn't want to go so deep with a baseball or football league because most of us don't follow those sports as closely as hockey, but us big shot hockey fans should be able to have a reasonable knowledge of most top-two line players in the East.

I also like trying out experiments with fantasy sports because it gets dull sometimes. Like we did with the Yahoo football league I ran last year, we tried a whole bunch of different scoring options and positions, some worked out and some didn't. It was fun overall, though.

[Alitaki]

I guess Leeds is the boss of this so he can set it up how he likes, but we should take a head count to see how many people we're working with. Personally, I'd be willing to do an East-only league with up to 15 teams with no more than 6 forward slots (and no util slot) per team. That's like a pool of every Eastern team's top two lines and should be easily workable for a bunch of hockey fans. I could see why we wouldn't want to go so deep with a baseball or football league because most of us don't follow those sports as closely as hockey, but us big shot hockey fans should be able to have a reasonable knowledge of most top-two line players in the East.

I also like trying out experiments with fantasy sports because it gets dull sometimes. Like we did with the Yahoo football league I ran last year, we tried a whole bunch of different scoring options and positions, some worked out and some didn't. It was fun overall, though.

No for sure, its Leeds' show. I just wanted to see what the league setup is like at ESPN. Might want to move the league I run with friends there.

I'm in for this, but how are we doing the rosters? 6 forwards, 4 defensemen 1 goalie? Plus bench?

[Dunc]

so the plebes (like me) are out in the virtual cold?

[Batshit Insane]

Meh.

Im down for a regular league. If anyone wants to start one, Im down. I'd rather stick with Yahoo, because my other fantasy sports teams are already on there, and it makes it waaaay easier to manage two sports as they are just one click away, and ESPN is usually a piece of shit to navigate through, if their site isnt crashed...

Down for Yahoo, full league. If I have to create it let me know. I mean, who wants to play in a league with these loser fag mods anyway (kicks soda can with his head down).

[leedsy99]

Sigh. I don't want to shut anyone out. But the reality is that we're going to have more than 12 people interested. I'd rather set two separate leagues -- Can I do that while only participating in one? -- than have guys feel slighted. Let's all play. Heck, three leagues if the interest is there. We can combine scoring and figure an overall leader in the end.

Personally, I'd be willing to do an East-only league with up to 15 teams with no more than 6 forward slots (and no util slot) per team.

15 teams is too much. Crosby, Malkin, or Ovechkin can/should score 120 points. Based on last year's stats, the best available forward to the guy picking 15 will score around 80 points. Elite goalies and the top two defensemen will likely be gone by then too. If he [15th pick] takes another 80 point forward, his first picks will equal 160 points (theoretically). The number 30 pick (going back to a top drafter) will be around 70 points, equally 190 points with his first two picks. The thirty point difference is too great a handicap to saddle someone with.

Actually, that's a total NHL calculation. It's probably worse in the Eastern Conference. Top scorer in the East was Ovechkin with 112 points. The number 15 scorer was Mike Richards at 75. I don't think that it's going to be fair to stick a guy with Mike Richards and Daniel Briere and then have him wait thirty more picks to take Mike Comrie.

In short, 15 teams is too many. It's possible, but I'd rather not do it.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I'd be down for a full league.

I have no interest in being a commish though as it looks like I'll be in 3 hockey leagues.

[Kusand]

8 signups in three hours in the Eastern Conference fantasy league signup thread. Pretty good pace.

This post has been edited by Kusand: Aug 25 2008, 11:00 PM

[Hockey101]

I'm in for both conferences, prefering if it's H2H.

[Alitaki]

I guess I can setup a full league in Yahoo for everyone who can't get in/doesn't want in the ESPN half conference one.

[toc93]

So, am I in on this Eastern Conference league?...I guess im directing this towards Brian. Either way is fine with me.

[Alitaki]

So, am I in on this Eastern Conference league?...I guess im directing this towards Brian. Either way is fine with me.

http://rangerland.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=6107

[VerdDogg]

im in for both leagues too

[toc93]

I didnt see the other thread. I posted there.

[Rocha]

15 now for the EC-only league, and I assume there's more people still interested. so it's looking like two leagues.

Will the leagues be H2H or Roto? If roto, we could also have a competition of one league versus the other with total production stats.

[Dr. D]

15 now for the EC-only league, and I assume there's more people still interested. so it's looking like two leagues.

Will the leagues be H2H or Roto? If roto, we could also have a competition of one league versus the other with total production stats.

If we were to do that competition, the leagues would have to have the same number of participants so one league's draft wasn't deeper than the other.

[Bavoo]

Leeds, I'd like to be in the ECFHL, but if you're limiting, you're limiting. Your house, your rules. I'm not going to offended or anything. I just need to know cuz there are guys who arew willing to commish and if I'm nopt going to be withyou, I'd like to be somewhere.

Thanks bro'

[Mike18]

Sounds like a lot of people are reluctantly willing to give the EC league a shot. I say there can be two leagues - one just EC and the other full league, and everyone can pick only one. If we need some people to double up so we can fill both, fine, but no one gets in both until everyone who wants to be in one is.

[Alitaki]

Sounds like a lot of people are reluctantly willing to give the EC league a shot. I say there can be two leagues - one just EC and the other full league, and everyone can pick only one. If we need some people to double up so we can fill both, fine, but no one gets in both until everyone who wants to be in one is.

Why? Because can't setup three leagues if we have to? C'mon, this is silly. Everyone is getting all bent out of shape for nothing. We'll setup the 1 conference league and if we have more demand than slots we can setup a second one. If we have a high demand for a full league FHL then we can setup one of those too. I fail to see why this is such a big deal.