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post May 13 2012, 09:52 PM
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I'm dying to have some Stockholm Syndrome and love Once Upon a Time at this point and it just fails me every week.


Ha, I was wondering what you'd think. The wife and I actually really liked this episode with one caveat. If they come back next season and no one remembers anything, we're done.

Come back next season and magic is in the real world and everyone knows who they are and it's a very interesting show.


It's just so close, and every time they do something to pull me in, they do something to spit me back out. The fights against Maleficent were terrible, an absolute waste of time. Henry is his usual self as soon as he wakes up. Mr. Gold wanting to bring back magic seems to contradict his hope of seeing his son again. Shit like that.


The other thing that bothers me constantly is "why did it take so long to get here?" Why did we suffer through so many episodes of Emma derping around and refusing to believe? Why did we get entire episodes dedicated to Hansel and Gretel, or Grumpy? Why did we spend so long on Kathryn and the stupid murder frame-up?! It's just mystifying to me.

Edit 2: Or Cinderella! Ughhhhhh.

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Also, I watched the latest Sherlock, "A Scandal In Belgravia." So good. Loved it. And apparently the PBS version was a cut that lost 10 minutes of funny dialogue!


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post May 14 2012, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(Kusand @ May 13 2012, 11:03 PM) *
It's just so close, and every time they do something to pull me in, they do something to spit me back out. The fights against Maleficent were terrible, an absolute waste of time. Henry is his usual self as soon as he wakes up. Mr. Gold wanting to bring back magic seems to contradict his hope of seeing his son again. Shit like that.


I think you just hate this show. Which is fine of course. While Maleficent looked terrible (frankly all the green screen stuff does) I wouldn't say it was pointless. I thought hiding it inside her was pretty genius and it certainly served a purpose.

I was a little surprised by Mr. Gold's actions, but that's actually consistent. He refused to leave his world with his son for magic, so given the choice between magic or his son, I'm not surprised he chose magic because he's made that decision before.

As for Henry, I can only guess that you were hoping he'd wake up as a different actor. "I love you too" "You did it" "Something bad" Those were Henry's lines last night. If you hate him for that you literally just want the kid off the show.

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Just to show I'm not a crazy fanboi or anything "it's storming like a bitch" Maleficients cartoon eye, the town people letting Regina just run away when they know who she is and what she did, the fact that practically every single storyline was wrapped up this episode (did they think they weren't being picked up?)

edit: also the seemingly goal post changing ways of Pinnochio turning back to wood. Wasn't his job simply to make her believe, not just break the curse?

There was plenty to roll eyes at...

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Did anyone else feel slightly let down by the finale of New Girl? I mean, it was good, but it didn't feel as good as that stretch leading right up to the finale.


A little bit. It definitely wasn't as good as the Backsliding episode.


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post May 14 2012, 01:30 PM
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Just to show I'm not a crazy fanboi or anything "it's storming like a bitch" Maleficients cartoon eye, the town people letting Regina just run away when they know who she is and what she did, the fact that practically every single storyline was wrapped up this episode (did they think they weren't being picked up?)

edit: also the seemingly goal post changing ways of Pinnochio turning back to wood. Wasn't his job simply to make her believe, not just break the curse?

There was plenty to roll eyes at...


Yeah, and like I said, I think just the dragged out pace bothered me. Why did it take 22 episodes to get here? Why the huge Kathryn red herring? The important things that needed to be set in motion were apparently the Hatter and Belle. Everyone remembering and Snow/Charming reuniting because they remember means that the "trial" that took months was a total waste of airtime. The storytelling just feels really sloppy. Also, Emma is dumb as a sack of hammers, that doesn't help either.


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QUOTE(Kusand @ May 14 2012, 02:30 PM) *
QUOTE(SorryaboutthatWhoa @ May 14 2012, 11:28 AM) *
Just to show I'm not a crazy fanboi or anything "it's storming like a bitch" Maleficients cartoon eye, the town people letting Regina just run away when they know who she is and what she did, the fact that practically every single storyline was wrapped up this episode (did they think they weren't being picked up?)

edit: also the seemingly goal post changing ways of Pinnochio turning back to wood. Wasn't his job simply to make her believe, not just break the curse?

There was plenty to roll eyes at...


Yeah, and like I said, I think just the dragged out pace bothered me. Why did it take 22 episodes to get here? Why the huge Kathryn red herring? The important things that needed to be set in motion were apparently the Hatter and Belle. Everyone remembering and Snow/Charming reuniting because they remember means that the "trial" that took months was a total waste of airtime. The storytelling just feels really sloppy. Also, Emma is dumb as a sack of hammers, that doesn't help either.


I'm cutting them some slack because it's the pilot season and they need to establish a world and a universe. The episodes you mention like Grumpy, Cinderella, Hansel and Gretel (I don't even think I watched it) were a waste and actually a chore to get through, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they will play bigger roles next year.

As far as pacing, take out those 3 episodes and it wasn't THAT bad. Now that we know the curse is broken, it was the storyline of the season. I can accept that. I think I'm also forgiving it because I was downright shocked that Emma believed AND the curse was broken this episode.

Again though, next season starts and no one remembers anything, I think all my patience will be gone.
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Ton of movies recently. Here are some of the ones from more recent years.

Drive (2011) - Very stylish, quiet -- fuck, I hate using this word to describe art but it really kinda fits here -- existential crime flick with bursts of hyperviolence. It's like a wanna-be-cult-movie, something Tarrantino would try to make but it's way more restrained and detached than what he'd come up with. The nods to the 80s were great, too. Well recommended. (4.5 of 5)

Shrooms (2007) - Buncha kids go to the woods to trip on mushrooms, they take the shrooms and start freaking out, but is what they're seeing real or just their hallucinations? That would be an awesome premise for a horror movie if this movie stuck with it the whole way, but they dropped this angle and left it for dead at about the halfway mark. So disappointing. Better than I thought it would be, though. (3 of 5)

Being John Malkovich (1999) - What the shit. Such a weird, inventive, fun movie. Floor 7 & 1/2! Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich! I don't wanna ruin the movie with descriptions if you haven't seen it, because it is quite an experience. (4.5 of 5)

Sideways (2004) - Tough to watch. One is a whiny sad sack and the other is a liar and cheat. Hard to sit through a movie where you don't like either main character, but both actors were outstanding. Liked the ambiguous ending. Liked a lot about it, it's a very mature, unflinching drama (how this sometimes gets spoken of as a comedy is beyond me!) it's just not something I can imagine myself putting on again too often in the future. (4 of 5)

Bunny and the Bull (2009) - I liked it the more it went on, and even more in the following days afterwards, which is always a great sign about a movie's quality. A shut-in flashes back on his vacation across Europe with a friend and why it made him a shut-in. Mostly silly but also unexpectedly sad and psychological in parts. Very different. Made by some Mighty Boosh people, with cameos by most of the cast. (3.5 of 5)


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Screw NBC. Community moved to Friday nights, meaning it was given this last season to "appease" fans and die. Oh, and it's paired Friday nights with Whitney.

edit: Even better, Whitney is the lead in.

I guess I'll start saying goodbye to Community now...sniff.

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post May 15 2012, 05:11 PM
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Getting it away from Big Bang Theory might be a good idea. I agree though that this isn't a good sign.


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House has been a real gut check the last two weeks. Wilson is the realist most likable character on the show. They suck.

But it also had to happen for house to kill himself. I didn't read that anywhere, I just don't see it going anywhere else.
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What did people make of the HIMYM finale?


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QUOTE(Kusand @ May 15 2012, 09:12 PM) *
What did people make of the HIMYM finale?


Watching it now.


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post May 15 2012, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(Kusand @ May 15 2012, 09:12 PM) *
What did people make of the HIMYM finale?


Honestly? It was an entertaining hour but frustrating as hell. The final moment of the episode? Not surprised. We bookended a season with a wedding we still haven't seen and ended on something we already know is a misdirection based on past episodes.
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What did people make of the HIMYM finale?


Honestly? It was an entertaining hour but frustrating as hell. The final moment of the episode? Not surprised. We bookended a season with a wedding we still haven't seen and ended on something we already know is a misdirection based on past episodes.


Yeah. Kinda where I felt like I was at.


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post May 15 2012, 08:48 PM
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We're sure the Robin as bride is a misdirection? How? Robin and Barney are having seperate weddings at the same location or are they splicing two different memories?


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QUOTE(Alitaki @ May 15 2012, 09:48 PM) *
We're sure the Robin as bride is a misdirection? How? Robin and Barney are having seperate weddings at the same location or are they splicing two different memories?


No, teds storyline is the misdirection...Sorry my original post was confusing. I saw the final moment coming and teds storyline is yet another misdirection.

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QUOTE(SorryaboutthatWhoa @ May 15 2012, 09:50 PM) *
QUOTE(Alitaki @ May 15 2012, 09:48 PM) *
We're sure the Robin as bride is a misdirection? How? Robin and Barney are having seperate weddings at the same location or are they splicing two different memories?


No, teds storyline is the misdirection...Sorry my original post was confusing. I saw the final moment coming and teds storyline is yet another misdirection.


Ah ok, yeah I agree with that.


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QUOTE(Rocha @ May 15 2012, 01:05 AM) *
Sideways (2004) - Tough to watch. One is a whiny sad sack and the other is a liar and cheat. Hard to sit through a movie where you don't like either main character, but both actors were outstanding. Liked the ambiguous ending. Liked a lot about it, it's a very mature, unflinching drama (how this sometimes gets spoken of as a comedy is beyond me!) it's just not something I can imagine myself putting on again too often in the future. (4 of 5)


Heh, this is actually one of my all-time favorites. I liked it especially because Giammati's character was touching and realistic - sincerely good at heart, but constantly undone by his misguided, self-absorbed actions and an inability to cope with disappointment and loss. That he's friends with a pompous clown like Thomas Haden-Church's character - who lives the drunken, hedonistic, womanizing, semi-charmed life he doesn't have - just underscores how genuinely lonely he is. I consider it a sort of dark-comedy, actually.

Here's a tip - watch it with the commentary track by Haden-church and Giammati; they're drunk off their asses.
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Some quick ones, superhero edition:

Avengers - Pretty good. Better than I thought it would be. I was initially skeptical because....

Captain America - ....I thought THIS movie sucked. I liked the first part of the movie, where we see the origin of Captain America and how he rose from silly USO act to bonafide hero. What's more quintessentially American than a story like THAT? Then, the second half of the movie, where he battles the Red SKull, turned totally boring. Wham, Kaboom, Bang, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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QUOTE(Alitaki @ May 15 2012, 09:12 PM) *
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We're sure the Robin as bride is a misdirection? How? Robin and Barney are having seperate weddings at the same location or are they splicing two different memories?


No, teds storyline is the misdirection...Sorry my original post was confusing. I saw the final moment coming and teds storyline is yet another misdirection.


Ah ok, yeah I agree with that.


Wait so you think that Barney and Robin are getting married but Ted's story is supposed to create confusion over that? Or is Ted's story misdirecting the fact that its not the same wedding?

EDIT: I'm just confused by what you meant by your comment SATS.

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We're sure the Robin as bride is a misdirection? How? Robin and Barney are having seperate weddings at the same location or are they splicing two different memories?


No, teds storyline is the misdirection...Sorry my original post was confusing. I saw the final moment coming and teds storyline is yet another misdirection.


Ah ok, yeah I agree with that.


Wait so you think that Barney and Robin are getting married but Ted's story is supposed to create confusion over that? Or is Ted's story misdirecting the fact that its not the same wedding?

EDIT: I'm just confused by what you meant by your comment SATS.


That Ted and Victoria is misdirection. We know she's not the one.


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QUOTE(Andy from the LES @ May 15 2012, 10:39 PM) *
Captain America - ....I thought THIS movie sucked. I liked the first part of the movie, where we see the origin of Captain America and how he rose from silly USO act to bonafide hero. What's more quintessentially American than a story like THAT? Then, the second half of the movie, where he battles the Red SKull, turned totally boring. Wham, Kaboom, Bang, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Can't deny that the second half was much less entertaining.
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QUOTE(Andy from the LES @ May 15 2012, 10:39 PM) *
Captain America - ....I thought THIS movie sucked. I liked the first part of the movie, where we see the origin of Captain America and how he rose from silly USO act to bonafide hero. What's more quintessentially American than a story like THAT? Then, the second half of the movie, where he battles the Red SKull, turned totally boring. Wham, Kaboom, Bang, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Yeah, out of all of the Avengers tie-ins, this one felt the most like a bridge to the Avengers movie rather than a feature-film of its own.

I was also wondering how much of it has to do with the character. I love Captain America for all the same reasons I love Superman but it's hard to wring dramatic tension of out characters who are so noble. I haven't liked any of the Superman movies. and, even with the comics, I can count the number of compelling Superman and Captain America stories I've read on one hand. Meanwhile, Batman is a vengeance driven vigilante, everything I despise in a hero, but almost every Batman story is compelling. (See also The Punisher.)


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In general, DC pales in comparison to Marvel. Other than Batman, who is human and has human flaws, the rest of the DC characters seem a little too perfect. They are practically gods, and it's hard to empathize with god-like characters. Yes I know Thor is a god and Hulk is practically a god, but those are the only Marvel characters I can think of who are indestructible. That's also the problem I had with making Wolverine the central focus of the X-Men films. Even though Jackman did a great job, it's hard to empathize with a character who has such an advanced healing factor he is pretty much invulnerable.

As an side, Superman might as well be indestructible because he has plot armor so thick his one weakness doesn't matter (even if the big bad has Kryptonite, he never decides to attempt to use it until it is too late).

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In general, DC pales in comparison to Marvel. Other than Batman, who is human and has human flaws, the rest of the DC characters seem a little too perfect. They are practically gods, and it's hard to empathize with god-like characters. Yes I know Thor is a god and Hulk is practically a god, but those are the only Marvel characters I can think of who are indestructible. That's also the problem I had with making Wolverine the central focus of the X-Men films. Even though Jackman did a great job, it's hard to empathize with a character who has such an advanced healing factor he is pretty much invulnerable.

As an side, Superman might as well be indestructible because he has plot armor so thick his one weakness doesn't matter (even if the big bad has Kryptonite, he never decides to attempt to use it until it is too late).


To be fair, you could argue that ANY superhero from any company is "god-like" because they haven't aged since the 60s and none of them have died, with very few exceptions.
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QUOTE(Knight of Dight @ May 16 2012, 11:54 AM) *
In general, DC pales in comparison to Marvel. Other than Batman, who is human and has human flaws, the rest of the DC characters seem a little too perfect. They are practically gods, and it's hard to empathize with god-like characters. Yes I know Thor is a god and Hulk is practically a god, but those are the only Marvel characters I can think of who are indestructible. That's also the problem I had with making Wolverine the central focus of the X-Men films. Even though Jackman did a great job, it's hard to empathize with a character who has such an advanced healing factor he is pretty much invulnerable.

As an side, Superman might as well be indestructible because he has plot armor so thick his one weakness doesn't matter (even if the big bad has Kryptonite, he never decides to attempt to use it until it is too late).


To be fair, you could argue that ANY superhero from any company is "god-like" because they haven't aged since the 60s and none of them have died, with very few exceptions.

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Good point, though it is a silly technicality. You could say the same about any fictional character from any medium, if you want to go that far.

I also think a big reason why I am drawn more to Marvel than DC is that DC is just so damn dark. Marvel movies, for the most part, are fun and don't take themselves THAT seriously. DC films are all about a dark, foreboding evil threatening the world. The sets are darker, the characters' personalities are darker, and overall it's just not as fun because the films take themselves so seriously.


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I was also wondering how much of it has to do with the character. I love Captain America for all the same reasons I love Superman but it's hard to wring dramatic tension of out characters who are so noble. I haven't liked any of the Superman movies. and, even with the comics, I can count the number of compelling Superman and Captain America stories I've read on one hand. Meanwhile, Batman is a vengeance driven vigilante, everything I despise in a hero, but almost every Batman story is compelling. (See also The Punisher.)


Maybe we have to admit that some characters are either unfilmable, OR, in the case of Superman (loved the first movie - the opening credits still give me chills) and others of that type, acknowledge the franchise's campy, cornball nature and adjust our expectations accordingly. The latter type is so noble that they're unrealistic - we, the viewers, with flaws and problems of our own, simply can't connect as deeply.

Meanwhile, look at Batman. He has no powers except his smarts and conditioning. He's traumatized over the death of his parents, and can never find peace. Now THAT'S human - who hasn't desired vengeance, or has had a hard time coping with loss? Batman does what we ourselves want to do (e.g. lash out); meanwhile, superman is so god-like and perfect that we can't possibly see our selves in him.
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I would argue that Superman is way more relatable than people give it credit for. There's a reason the character is as iconic as it is.

As far as hardships, I think it's lost on people sometimes that his entire planet it dead. Sure, he's got friends and family, but he literally can't relate to anyone, he's alone on this world. I've always considered Superman to do what he does because he wants to ensure that doesn't happen to his new home and to the people he loves.

Apart from being alone in the world, he feels the entire weight of the world on his shoulders and his life is dedicated to helping his friends and family. I think that's pretty relatable.

For the record, I don't really like Superman, but the fact that he was unrelatable never resonated with me because he's one of the most iconic super heroes there is.

And Captain America is filmable. Read the Ed Brubaker run, it's fantastic.
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Kill Bill also forever changed the way I view Superman.


I hate his take on Superman. It's actually the exact opposite of my own take.

My feeling is that Superman's heroism comes not from his powers but from his humanity. With his powers he could rule the world and yet he uses his powers to defend the meek. Remember that Superman was created during the depression and ramp up to World War II by two kids from Brooklyn who were the children of Jewish immigrants. America is his adopted homeland but he fights for the noblest of American values -- Freedom from oppression and equal opportunity for all. (Superman was originally very much a social crusader, taking on slumlords, corrupt bankers, abusive factory owners, etc.)

Similarly, Captain America was not a jingoistic nationalist. Joe Simon, one of his co-creators, also came from a poor family and his father was a Jewish immigrant. This idea that Captain America hates as bully was one thing that the movie nailed.

In both cases I would argue that these characters have chosen the more difficult moral path. Doing the right thing at all times is a fuck of a lot harder than indulging your id, especially when you have the power to do pretty much whatever the fuck you want.

Finally, I love the fact that, no matter how much he does, Superman is always tortured by the fact that he can't do more. Even with all of his powers, he can't save everyone.



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I hate his take on Superman. It's actually the exact opposite of my own take.


Yeah, nobodies opinion is right or wrong, but it does lead to an interesting conversation, one that's more apt for a psyche class than a critique of the original work. In his mind he needed to blend into the human race and be unassuming, so he turned himself into a weak, bumbling doofus. That's his idea of blending in.

Now, do I think that was the creators intent? I truly don't, but someone looked at the works and viewed it that way and I think it's at least a valid critique on the subject.

Many topics end up like this, it might not be the original intent of the work, but it stirs something up in the viewer that encourages discussion.
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QUOTE(rightbug @ May 16 2012, 10:22 AM) *
I was also wondering how much of it has to do with the character. I love Captain America for all the same reasons I love Superman but it's hard to wring dramatic tension of out characters who are so noble. I haven't liked any of the Superman movies. and, even with the comics, I can count the number of compelling Superman and Captain America stories I've read on one hand. Meanwhile, Batman is a vengeance driven vigilante, everything I despise in a hero, but almost every Batman story is compelling. (See also The Punisher.)


Maybe we have to admit that some characters are either unfilmable, OR, in the case of Superman (loved the first movie - the opening credits still give me chills) and others of that type, acknowledge the franchise's campy, cornball nature and adjust our expectations accordingly. The latter type is so noble that they're unrealistic - we, the viewers, with flaws and problems of our own, simply can't connect as deeply.

Meanwhile, look at Batman. He has no powers except his smarts and conditioning. He's traumatized over the death of his parents, and can never find peace. Now THAT'S human - who hasn't desired vengeance, or has had a hard time coping with loss? Batman does what we ourselves want to do (e.g. lash out); meanwhile, superman is so god-like and perfect that we can't possibly see our selves in him.


We're not supposed to see ourselves in Superman, we're supposed to look within and find the 'Superman' in ourselves. He's meant to inspire us to a higher ideal. If he's a mirror, then he is the reflection of what we should be not what we are.
Batman on the other hand is a representation of our basest selves. He chose not rise above his tragedy but instead breaks the law to go on a vengeful crusade. He's not a character that inspires in the traditional sense.


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QUOTE(rightbug @ May 16 2012, 03:47 PM) *
I hate his take on Superman. It's actually the exact opposite of my own take.


Yeah, nobodies opinion is right or wrong, but it does lead to an interesting conversation, one that's more apt for a psyche class than a critique of the original work. In his mind he needed to blend into the human race and be unassuming, so he turned himself into a weak, bumbling doofus. That's his idea of blending in.

Now, do I think that was the creators intent? I truly don't, but someone looked at the works and viewed it that way and I think it's at least a valid critique on the subject.

Many topics end up like this, it might not be the original intent of the work, but it stirs something up in the viewer that encourages discussion.


Didn't Batman have the same question in one of the books? I feel like I read this somewhere. The whole which is the secret identity - Wayne or The Batman.


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QUOTE(Alitaki @ May 16 2012, 04:23 PM) *
QUOTE(SorryaboutthatWhoa @ May 16 2012, 04:15 PM) *
QUOTE(rightbug @ May 16 2012, 03:47 PM) *
I hate his take on Superman. It's actually the exact opposite of my own take.


Yeah, nobodies opinion is right or wrong, but it does lead to an interesting conversation, one that's more apt for a psyche class than a critique of the original work. In his mind he needed to blend into the human race and be unassuming, so he turned himself into a weak, bumbling doofus. That's his idea of blending in.

Now, do I think that was the creators intent? I truly don't, but someone looked at the works and viewed it that way and I think it's at least a valid critique on the subject.

Many topics end up like this, it might not be the original intent of the work, but it stirs something up in the viewer that encourages discussion.


Didn't Batman have the same question in one of the books? I feel like I read this somewhere. The whole which is the secret identity - Wayne or The Batman.


Yeah. Personally, I see the distinction as Bruce Wayne was born Bruce Wayne. He became Batman. Superman was born Superman, he became Clark Kent.
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We're not supposed to see ourselves in Superman, we're supposed to look within and find the 'Superman' in ourselves. He's meant to inspire us to a higher ideal. If he's a mirror, then he is the reflection of what we should be not what we are.
Batman on the other hand is a representation of our basest selves. He chose not rise above his tragedy but instead breaks the law to go on a vengeful crusade. He's not a character that inspires in the traditional sense.


Agreed 100%!

QUOTE(SorryaboutthatWhoa @ May 16 2012, 04:28 PM) *
Yeah. Personally, I see the distinction as Bruce Wayne was born Bruce Wayne. He became Batman. Superman was born Superman, he became Clark Kent.


Superman was born Kal-El, then he become Clark Kent, then he became Superman. Superman was his last identity.


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QUOTE(rightbug @ May 16 2012, 04:49 PM) *
QUOTE(Alitaki @ May 16 2012, 04:19 PM) *
We're not supposed to see ourselves in Superman, we're supposed to look within and find the 'Superman' in ourselves. He's meant to inspire us to a higher ideal. If he's a mirror, then he is the reflection of what we should be not what we are.
Batman on the other hand is a representation of our basest selves. He chose not rise above his tragedy but instead breaks the law to go on a vengeful crusade. He's not a character that inspires in the traditional sense.


Agreed 100%!

QUOTE(SorryaboutthatWhoa @ May 16 2012, 04:28 PM) *
Yeah. Personally, I see the distinction as Bruce Wayne was born Bruce Wayne. He became Batman. Superman was born Superman, he became Clark Kent.


Superman was born Kal-El, then he become Clark Kent, then he became Superman. Superman was his last identity.


It's really a semantical argument but Wayne had to become Batman. Superman came to earth as a baby and was Superman.

The point of Bill's take on the character was that Superman's alter ego was Clark Kent. He is an alien and has to hide it by becoming someone he isn't. Bruce Wayne IS Bruce Wayne. He puts on a costume so people don't know he's Bruce Wayne.

Superman isn't wearing a mask when he's fighting crime, he's wearing a mask when he's not. That's the point.
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Finally, I love the fact that, no matter how much he does, Superman is always tortured by the fact that he can't do more. Even with all of his powers, he can't save everyone.


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