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[Ebase]

Seriously though,

The second article is pretty insightful too. Say what you want about the Right, but for much of their history, they've understood the importance of overall unity (which is why I still expect them to nominate Romney). The Left, for as long as I remember, has always been plagued by discord, which, as a result, leads to a muddled message.

I've always stated that the one thing that is really good about the GOP is their ability to develop the narrative and fall in line with their marching orders.

By contrast, the Dems are too dynamic from centrists to Dennis Kucinich. They can't even agree amongst themselves on the color of grass. Look at the healthcare debate. They controlled 2/3 of the government and it nearly died on the vine even though they were practically universally in agreement that it should be done.

[Mike B.]

Meanwhile, last night on Jimmy Fallon:



That is indeed the Roots playing Fishbone's "Lyin' Ass Bitch" to introduce Michelle Bachmann.

Juvenile and inappropriate? Probably. But also pretty brazen. Hope they don't catch any shit for it.

[Ebase]

Meanwhile, last night on Jimmy Fallon:



That is indeed the Roots playing Fishbone's "Lyin' Ass Bitch" to introduce Michelle Bachmann.

Juvenile and inappropriate? Probably. But also pretty brazen. Hope they don't catch any shit for it.

Oh, nonsense.

Bachmann was just trying to connect with a young "hip" audience. Of course that song was hip in like the 80's when she was in her 20's. And of course they didn't play that song at the church she was at. They were busy speaking in tongues.

[Mike B.]

Bachmann was just trying to connect with a young "hip" audience. Of course that song was hip in like the 80's when she was in her 20's. And of course they didn't play that song at the church she was at. They were busy speaking in tongues.

Wait - huh? I'm pretty sure that she didn't ask them to play that song.


Also, why are you so vehemently against Mormons as presidential candidates? In itself I mean, not as applied to the other items you listed that touch on their beliefs, like same-sex marriage. Sure buddy, fine, the Native Americans are ancient Israelites. Just don't ask me to believe it. I couldn't care less honestly, and I think that holding the beliefs of candidates against them is as bad as fundamentalists demanding that their candidates are Biblical literalists. In fact, I'd trust the Mormons I know in positions of responsibility a hell of a lot more readily than most of the others.

Mitt excepted, of course, because he's a dick.

This post has been edited by Mike B.: Nov 22 2011, 03:45 PM

[Alitaki]

You're a dick.

[Alitaki]

I don't know why I just did that.

[Alitaki]

I'm a dick.

[Ebase]

Wait - huh? I'm pretty sure that she didn't ask them to play that song.

I was being factious.

Also, why are you so vehemently against Mormons as presidential candidates? In itself I mean, not as applied to the other items you listed that touch on their beliefs, like same-sex marriage. Sure buddy, fine, the Native Americans are ancient Israelites. Just don't ask me to believe it. I couldn't care less honestly, and I think that holding the beliefs of candidates against them is as bad as fundamentalists demanding that their candidates are Biblical literalists. In fact, I'd trust the Mormons I know in positions of responsibility a hell of a lot more readily than most of the others.

Mitt excepted, of course, because he's a dick.

For the faith based this will be offensive...

Here is my issue. You are creating a moral equivalency between different faiths. And I agree with you. Except I see them all as insane and the single biggest impediment to the progress of this world. It is the celebration of old story books as a fact. Jonah and the whale indeed. I give this about as much credence as designing a moral code around Dr. Suess. Sam I am and I don't eat green eggs and ham. Thinking in terms of faith does a few fundamental things to the world:

1. It creates a sense of self righteousness that God is a member of someone's team and there is the right team and the rest are wrong.

2, It guides your decision making. And when your prime directive is not making the world a better place thru math, science, education, innovation, intellect and fall back to an option: I'll pray to God for the answers, and try to interpret his will for what we must do? Epic fail and a step forward to our accelerating path to destruction when we should be getting past this nonsense and on to curing the needs and problems of a world rapidly losing its ability to sustain us and we will fade into the history of the earth as the dinosaurs (which the faith based think were horses for Adam and Eve.) And hopefully what intelligent being ultimately emerges can look at our fossilized records and instead of chalking it up to superstitious ignorance ultimately will understand our failings if the earth evolves in such a manner.

And whenever someone's moral compass is dictated by faith it taints their ability to think in terms of what is real and not real.

So what I look for is representation that demonstrates the least celebration of the eminence of a divine power.

Obama I supported in part because he is more a progressive mind but he has backtracked in order to appease a supercilious population.

Mormon's are just another symptom of a problem. And the more fundamental the faith the more dangerous. That is part of the reason why a country like Iran is far more dangerous than say Turkey right now. And Mormons are seriously off the chains crazy. So we are trading out one religious nut who spent 8-years smashing this country and humanity into oblivion and after a 4 year vacation potentially replacing that nut by throwing another shithead with even a more deeply crazy ideology.

And there is a sliding scale of lunacy. In my opinion, Mormons are further into the spectrum of lunacy and that is bad for America. Considering that internationally it is even worse because it is a fringe faith that most other faiths or lack there of can agree upon: its bullshit.

Moral superiority should be based in the real world. Not God. What has God done for the world? Wars, famines, destruction, and more damage than any other issue out there. To add a diarrhea called mormonism and drop it into a cesspool of faith in the divine is going the wrong way.

America should be considered superior to Sierra Leone because its people are more highly educated, have better upward mobility, don't breed out of control putting further stress on a system that is going to be critical mass far sooner than most people think. The leadership of America should be based in its ability to elevate a human race focused on survival, sustainability, the pursuit and embrace of education and the value of intellect. Not some superstitious impediment that delays or altogether freezes the essential needs of this country.

Just ask George Bush who intelligently decided based on faith groups that embryos have souls therefore, science should not study stem cells.

[Kusand]

Given that (as far as I can tell) pretty much the whole GOP field is composed of people who are at minimum pandering to the Christian right, what's the difference between a Rick Perry type or Romney/Huntsman that you would take Perry over Huntsman because of Mormonism?

[Greatone]

I think you need to go on an individual basis. I haven't found one thing about Huntsmans religion affecting his policy decisions or him running and using his faith as a crutch to pander to religious voters.

[Mike B.]

I think you need to go on an individual basis. I haven't found one thing about Huntsmans religion affecting his policy decisions or him running and using his faith as a crutch to pander to religious voters.

Or, put another way, Ebase, I think you are coming across as uncompromising and as guided by passion as many fundamentalists.

[Ebase]

I think you need to go on an individual basis. I haven't found one thing about Huntsmans religion affecting his policy decisions or him running and using his faith as a crutch to pander to religious voters.

Or, put another way, Ebase, I think you are coming across as uncompromising and as guided by passion as many fundamentalists.

I think you need to go on an individual basis. I haven't found one thing about Huntsmans religion affecting his policy decisions or him running and using his faith as a crutch to pander to religious voters.

Or, put another way, Ebase, I think you are coming across as uncompromising and as guided by passion as many fundamentalists.

Fair enough...

However, there is one very significant difference in my opinion. I am right and they are not. Sounds ignorant??? Let me expand.

A little background first. Without disrespect to a faith (and mind you that there are some nice stories about humanity in the bible) they are all just silly in my educated opinion. This was not a decision that I came to overnight but after many compelling arguments against caused me to waiver on my faith. Then at a symposium I watched about a year and a half ago with Stephen Hawking took me over the edge. I have then become a student of quantum physics (albeit not the smartest tool in that shed.) The reality is that religion is just a silly way to explain what we don't understand. Just like at one time we thought the earth was created 7 days and that the first human female was created by the rib of the first male. Science defeated this as well as almost every single supernatural event in the bible. When you become free of these things, you are free to pursue logic and education as your guiding principles without the constraints of a man in the sky with a beard who if you piss him off will send you to the depths of hell.

And so what is the difference between me being uncompromising and the guided passions as many fundamentalists? You are creating moral equivalency between the faith based and the real life based. And there is no equivalency between the two. My side chooses education, intellectualism, science to solve the mysteries of the universe and continues to bunk every single thing that the other side believes brick by brick and day by day. And they believe in a juvenile explanation written by people some of which lived in caves as a means to explain a world that chalked up anything unknown to an all encompassing overseer.

You may believe that I am guided by passion but in reality I am passionate about reality.

And I don't wear magic underwear for protection.

[Mike B.]

And so what is the difference between me being uncompromising and the guided passions as many fundamentalists? You are creating moral equivalency between the faith based and the real life based. And there is no equivalency between the two. My side chooses education, intellectualism, science to solve the mysteries of the universe and continues to bunk every single thing that the other side believes brick by brick and day by day. And they believe in a juvenile explanation written by people some of which lived in caves as a means to explain a world that chalked up anything unknown to an all encompassing overseer.

So, what are your standards for leaders or people running for elected office? That they all be atheists and/or secular humanists, and not believe anything that involves a leap of faith? Hey, I'm all for it personally, but I don't think that's a very pragmatic position to take. It would disqualify Obama, for one - one of the first things he said to gain national attention was a concession that blue-state folks worship their "awesome God" as well.

My objection to your comments is that you don't seem willing to believe that any Mormon is capable of putting aside the more illogical or extreme positions of their faith, when you presumably think that Obama has with his beliefs, and that you want to paint all Mormons with a broad brush as loons. Huntsman hasn't given any reason to believe that he will act like that.

[Dunc]

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Really? Herman Cain,Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry,? Can you imagine if any of these "candidates" were in charge of our country? I could run for president and do as well as any of these 3 clowns!

Every morning I scoop things out of the catbox that could do as well as these 3 clowns.

[Ebase]

I think you need to go on an individual basis. I haven't found one thing about Huntsmans religion affecting his policy decisions or him running and using his faith as a crutch to pander to religious voters.

I do concede that I have been lacking nuance in this discussion and that is a fair argument against my position however we all have belief and value systems RW LW etc... In politics as with anything else in life your platform is developed from your beliefs but also by what will get you elected. There can be little argument that the LDS did not have a hand in getting him to the Governer Mansion in Utah.

To what degree? Who knows? But the LDS didn't help the guy to get elected because they thought he was a swell guy. In terms of how he has operated? He is a lousy politician if he hasnt pandered to his base.

And as for broadbrushing Mormonism? Absolutely, I do. I put them right there with Scientology.

As a Mormon he has to believe in it otherwise he wouldn't be one. And am do broadbrush them in that I think what they accept as the cornerstones of their faith is just stupid.

To look at it thru a different prism. Talibani Islamic followers are comfortable with suicide bombings. While an individual may not want to personnaly become a martyr, the odds that he will celebrate another's martyrdom is very high. Otherwise why believe in the ideaology at all?

And so while I know that is a very extreme example and Mormonism is not violent like that I can't see how you parse your belief and value system away from your decision making process. It has to play a role.

Since my religion has become science it effects my decision making process whether I want it to or not.

I have trouble slicing a moral foundation from your actions.

[Ebase]

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Really? Herman Cain,Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry,? Can you imagine if any of these "candidates" were in charge of our country? I could run for president and do as well as any of these 3 clowns!

Every morning I scoop things out of the catbox that could do as well as these 3 clowns.

To be fair I do think that Gingrich is a smart guy. He does understand Washington. His political leanings are not digest able. He does make compelling arguments for what he believes in.

I just think his world and domestic view is just a horrible turn for the worst. And he just isn't a guy you can like. He is smug and I just find myself thinking about how I would love to punch him in the face.

[toph]

Anyone watching the debate? Perry, Cain, and Santorum have looked particularly stupid tonight.

[Andy from the LE...]

*Raises Hand*

Hey, is this the point where I get to paint all secular humanists and atheists with a broad brush and hold them accountable for some of the largest instances of mass murder in the 20th century? Or point out how science has itself become, at times, unscientific and prone to human biases, false assumptions, and political influence?

Ebase, you know I agree with you most of the time, but you're being a dick.

[Andy from the LE...]

To look at it thru a different prism. Talibani Islamic followers are comfortable with suicide bombings. While an individual may not want to personnaly become a martyr, the odds that he will celebrate another's martyrdom is very high. Otherwise why believe in the ideaology at all?

This is so fallacious, I have no idea where to begin.

[Charlie]

Well, Santorum is for racial profiling.

Bachmann doesn't believe suspected terrorists are protected by rights of the accused.

I'm following the live blog, and just loving the shit out of Paul. Now, I know this is a foreign policy debate (if it involved domestic policy too I'd be rolling my eyes at Paul) but damnit if he doesn't just shoot down their nonsense.

Also, for the Huntsman thing, there is a very good possibility he has very much exaggerated his Chinese ability. Considering that he has used that as one of his large marketing tools, it's pretty funny.

Edit: About the "him being Mormon thing," he comes off as WAY more religiously moderate than pretty much any other candidate. He hasn't forced his kids to be Mormons (unlike Romney), and he in no way has shown a blind dedication to the church. Mormonism has some positive qualities, and it seems he is embracing those. There has been a lot written about his "unique" brand of Mormonism. I suggest you look them up before you make those kind of comments.

This post has been edited by Charlie: Nov 22 2011, 09:38 PM

[Charlie]

Huntsman “may be living a brand of Mormonism that doesn’t have a name for itself yet - the equivalent of reform Mormonism,’’ said Joanna Brooks, a literature professor at San Diego State University and a Mormon who blogs on religion and culture at religiondispatches.org. That is, she said, “someone who is culturally Mormon, who identifies with the tradition, who has been shaped by Mormon thought in his upbringing, but doesn’t necessarily maintain orthodoxy on doctrinal beliefs.’’

http://articles.boston.com/2011-08-15/news...-mormon-circles

[Mike B.]

To look at it thru a different prism. Talibani Islamic followers are comfortable with suicide bombings. While an individual may not want to personnaly become a martyr, the odds that he will celebrate another's martyrdom is very high. Otherwise why believe in the ideaology at all?

I'm gonna agree with Andy here and say that this is a pretty poor analogy. Slight difference between advocating acts of terrorism and magic underwear, no? A better one might be Catholicism. Would you be against voting for a Catholic, because they're all supposed believe in the infallibility of the Pope and the Transubstantiation? JFK famously had to deal with this, and it seems pretty ridiculous in hindsight.

Or, from another angle, what makes you think that every Mormon completely ascribes to every single tenet of the Mormon faith? There are plenty of Catholics I know, for example, that struggle with the most rigid or silly traditions, while believing in the larger messages and beliefs.

On edit: what Charlie said.

This post has been edited by Mike B.: Nov 22 2011, 09:52 PM

[Ebase]

*Raises Hand*

Hey, is this the point where I get to paint all secular humanists and atheists with a broad brush and hold them accountable for some of the largest instances of mass murder in the 20th century? Or point out how science has itself become, at times, unscientific and prone to human biases, false assumptions, and political influence?

Ebase, you know I agree with you most of the time, but you're being a dick.

I know. I've been in a lobby of a hospital all day on an iPhone dealing with a family member. And i am overly caffeinated on out and just spitting shit out. Just not well thought out. Kinda just firing shit out. I've been totally belligerent for the sake of being belligerent.0

Putting my foot in mouth before I write more...

Please disregard half the shit I've written today and accept my apologies for lowering the bar.

[Charlie]

Meanwhile, last night on Jimmy Fallon:



That is indeed the Roots playing Fishbone's "Lyin' Ass Bitch" to introduce Michelle Bachmann.

Juvenile and inappropriate? Probably. But also pretty brazen. Hope they don't catch any shit for it.

Haha, nope.

Late-night host Jimmy Fallon apologized on Twitter for his house band’s choice of intro music for Michele Bachmann this week, which liberals and conservatives alike condemned as offensive.

Fallon didn’t mention the name of the song – “Lyn’ Ass Bitch” – but he said he was sorry for what he called the “intro mess.”

“I'm honored that @michelebachmann was on our show yesterday and I'm so sorry about the intro mess. I really hope she comes back,” Fallon tweeted. “Actually it was a really fun interview. She helped me with my Minnesota accent. (I still sound Irish.)”

New York Rep. Nita Lowey, a Democrat from Westchester County, said Tuesday that Fallon, his band – The Roots – and NBC “should apologize” for the “sexist and offensive innuendo.”

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/

[Alitaki]

You know what I'd like to hear from a candidate? "My religious beliefs and views are personal and that's that last time I'm going to talk about it with you". Give me a candidate that says and more importantly believes that and you're halfway towards winning my vote.

[toph]

You know what I'd like to hear from a candidate? "My religious beliefs and views are personal and that's that last time I'm going to talk about it with you". Give me a candidate that says and more importantly believes that and you're halfway towards winning my vote.

That would be pretty much political suicide in this country.

This post has been edited by toph: Nov 23 2011, 10:23 AM

[Alitaki]

You know what I'd like to hear from a candidate? "My religious beliefs and views are personal and that's that last time I'm going to talk about it with you". Give me a candidate that says and more importantly believes that and you're halfway towards winning my vote.

That will pretty much political suicide in this country.

You think? I don't know about that. I think there are a lot of people out there just sick and tired of having someone else's religious views shoved down their throats. I think that would be a welcomed stance by a lot of people.

[HDH]

You know what I'd like to hear from a candidate? "My religious beliefs and views are personal and that's that last time I'm going to talk about it with you". Give me a candidate that says and more importantly believes that and you're halfway towards winning my vote.

That will pretty much political suicide in this country.

You think? I don't know about that. I think there are a lot of people out there just sick and tired of having someone else's religious views shoved down their throats. I think that would be a welcomed stance by a lot of people.

You live in NYC. That's probably true here. Go to Nashville, where the town pretty much works like this: Bar, restaurant, church, bar, church, restaurant, church, bar, bar, church, bar, restaurant, church, etc. etc.

My buddy moved to Alabama, and the first thing that was asked of him was whether or not he'd be seen at services on Sunday, because afterward they have a pot luck picnic where pretty much everyone gathered.

Religion is pretty damn important in most of the country.

[Alitaki]

You live in NYC. That's probably true here. Go to Nashville, where the town pretty much works like this: Bar, restaurant, church, bar, church, restaurant, church, bar, bar, church, bar, restaurant, church, etc. etc.

My buddy moved to Alabama, and the first thing that was asked of him was whether or not he'd be seen at services on Sunday, because afterward they have a pot luck picnic where pretty much everyone gathered.

Religion is pretty damn important in most of the country.

I hate this country. Correction, I hate the people in this country.

[toph]

Yeah, a lot of people in the Northeast might have that view, Alitaki (myself included), but it's a substantial minority.

[Mike B.]

I hate this country. Correction, I hate the people in this country.

Why? Because people like to go to church on Sunday, and eat hot dogs and potato salad afterward?


You people are all so godless. I'm gonna start an Inquisition.

[Alitaki]

I hate this country. Correction, I hate the people in this country.

Why? Because people like to go to church on Sunday, and eat hot dogs and potato salad afterward?


You people are all so godless. I'm gonna start an Inquisition.

Because they think they can tell me how to live. I don't care if they're religious. I don't care if they go to church on Sundays. I actually like that they do; less traffic for me to deal with during church hours. But your religion is YOURS not mine. Your values are YOURS not mine. Don't tread on me motherfuckers. If I want abort fetuses while marrying my gay neighbor and eating bacon on a Wednesday, that's none of your fucking business.

This post has been edited by Alitaki: Nov 23 2011, 10:44 AM

[Mike B.]

Because they think they can tell me how to live. I don't care if they're religious. I don't care if they go to church on Sundays. I actually like that they do; less traffic for me to deal with during church hours. But your religion is YOURS not mine. Your values are YOURS not mine. Don't tread on me motherfuckers. If I want abort fetuses while marrying my gay neighbor and eating bacon on a Wednesday, that's none of your fucking business.

HDH: A buddy moved to Alabama, and the people down there asked him if he would be at church, so they could say hi afterward.

Alitaki: DON'T TREAD ON ME, MOTHERFUCKERS

[Alitaki]

You're goddamn right.

[Sed]

SHUN THE OUTLANDER!

[Tex]

they think they can tell me how to live. I don't care if they're religious. I don't care if they go to church on Sundays. I actually like that they do; less traffic for me to deal with during church hours. But your religion is YOURS not mine. Your values are YOURS not mine. Don't tread on me motherfuckers. If I want abort fetuses while marrying my gay neighbor and eating bacon on a Wednesday, that's none of your fucking business.

I just peeked in here to see if pRick Perry had done another stoopid trick on tv, but,

omg, it's like Taki's reading my fucking MIND! Srsly, allsome.

[Alitaki]

SHUN THE OUTLANDER!

Oh please do! I would LOVE to be shunned. I could be a recluse so easily it's almost scary.

[Ebase]

You know what I'd like to hear from a candidate? "My religious beliefs and views are personal and that's that last time I'm going to talk about it with you". Give me a candidate that says and more importantly believes that and you're halfway towards winning my vote.

That panders to a small group of critical thinkers. That is too much of a weak sign to most America where even in polls up to today when asked about what qualities they look for in a President

Religion is always in the top 3.

On one level despite my rantings and railings against Mormonism I almost want Romney to get the nomination.

Like having an African American in the WH it helps to demoralize the Evangelicals that their death grip on American politics and ability to dictate morality thru legistlation is waning. And that in and of itself gives me political giggles.

But as someone stated, when you leave the major metro areas or travel thru the South, and Mid West religion is still a huge thing.

Going from blazing liberal N California and moving to Orange County, CA was an enormous shift for me. I went from an area where churches were there but of no real impact to communities other then the faithful heading on over for their little Sunday inspiration. Now in OC one of the biggest eye openers to me we're the mega churches.tons of them.

And in this predominately white, middle/upper class community of faith driven if they didn't turn out for McCain, they sure as well won't turn out for a Mormon. I finally have something that I agree with them on: I think Mormonism is a bizarre cult. And so do they.

I think that if a politician came out and said, "my faith is very personal to me and I would rather not discuss it with anyone?

I'd be front row applauding a pair of political balls. Every single one of the GOP asshats is constantly playing that "the courage of my convictions" card. But to say that would take real courage and real conviction and we don't like the walk, only the talk

[Sed]

SHUN THE OUTLANDER!

Oh please do! I would LOVE to be shunned. I could be a recluse so easily it's almost scary.

You and me both, man.

[Mike B.]

Anyway, back on point - pretty jarring comments from Newt about immigration last night, I'd say.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/2...e?newsfeed=true

He argued the children of illegal immigrants should not be ripped away from their families. He said that he did not believe Americans wanted to take people who have lived in the country for 25 years and expel them over a crime committed long ago

Interesting to see how this plays out. In the short run, it may hurt him, because it gives the crazies like Romney and Bachmann a chance to score quick points with the hard-liners by denouncing any sympathy as "amnesty". But if Mitt veers too far to the right, then it could cost him in the general election if he wins the nomination. Best case scenario, it hurts Newt now, AND Romney in the long run.

[Greatone]

I think Newt did pretty well last night. Perry, Cain and Santorum should just close shop. And Bachmann was killing me last night when she kept repeating "Newt wants to give amnesty to every illegal". NO HE DOESNT YOU LYIN BITCH

[HDH]

SHUN THE OUTLANDER!

Oh please do! I would LOVE to be shunned. I could be a recluse so easily it's almost scary.

Then we can ignore any bannings you hand out?

[Alitaki]

SHUN THE OUTLANDER!

Oh please do! I would LOVE to be shunned. I could be a recluse so easily it's almost scary.

Then we can ignore any bannings you hand out?

Sure, you can ignore any ban I hand you until the ban time elapses.

[Mike B.]

Charlie Pierce continues to kill it:

I would feel bad about what happened if it hadn't been the perfect end product of the kind of Republican politics, and the kind of Republican party, that Newt Gingrich himself helped to create back when he was blaming Democrats for Susan Smith's drowning her children, and compiling lists of vicious pejoratives for his congressional acolytes to use in their campaigns. Now, he had a good idea, and the monster descendants of his own ego came roaring out to beat him over the head with it. This gave me such a thrill I thought Ed Meese was going to come through the screen and bust me for the way I was smiling.

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/newt...3#ixzz1eYOWK77X

[Alitaki]

Charlie Pierce continues to kill it:

I would feel bad about what happened if it hadn't been the perfect end product of the kind of Republican politics, and the kind of Republican party, that Newt Gingrich himself helped to create back when he was blaming Democrats for Susan Smith's drowning her children, and compiling lists of vicious pejoratives for his congressional acolytes to use in their campaigns. Now, he had a good idea, and the monster descendants of his own ego came roaring out to beat him over the head with it. This gave me such a thrill I thought Ed Meese was going to come through the screen and bust me for the way I was smiling.

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/newt...3#ixzz1eYOWK77X

My favorite line so far:

Newt suddenly had the look of a man attempting to argue calculus with a fire hydrant.

[toph]

I liked when Bachmann said that the ACLU runs the CIA.

[Kusand]

She also stated that a nuclear Iran was "more than an existential threat," which is a terrifying thought, if a completely batty one. What's worse than an existential threat? One that wreaks havoc both here, and in the 12th dimension?

[Charlie]

She also stated that a nuclear Iran was "more than an existential threat," which is a terrifying thought, if a completely batty one. What's worse than an existential threat? One that wreaks havoc both here, and in the 12th dimension?

They'll also insult you.

[Kusand]

Though I object to the "Willard" cheap shot the same way I objected to anyone calling President Obama "Barack Hussein Obama" and then going "what, me be a dick?"

Quick edit: I didn't realize there was context regarding him trying to crack a joke that his real first name is Mitt.

This post has been edited by Kusand: Nov 24 2011, 12:20 AM

[Kusand]

That is indeed the Roots playing Fishbone's "Lyin' Ass Bitch" to introduce Michelle Bachmann.

Juvenile and inappropriate? Probably. But also pretty brazen. Hope they don't catch any shit for it.

With a little bit of retrospect here... really? You hope they don't catch any shit for being basically unbelievably douchey? If Fox pulled a stunt like that on Fox And Friends if, say, Nancy Pelosi dropped in, I can only imagine most of us would be livid.