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[LisaLisa]

Lane Pryce is such a tragedy.

Also: Don's face at the play.

It went over my head, why is Lane in financial trouble?

It hasn't been laid out yet, but it appears he owes some big money back in England.

This post has been edited by LisaLisa: May 21 2012, 09:34 AM

[Sed]

Lane Pryce is such a tragedy.

Also: Don's face at the play.

It went over my head, why is Lane in financial trouble?

I think he owes taxes in England.

Yes. This.

Also: "SURPRISE - THERE'S AN AIRPLANE HERE TO SEE YOU!"

[LisaLisa]

Lane Pryce is such a tragedy.

Also: Don's face at the play.

It went over my head, why is Lane in financial trouble?

I think he owes taxes in England.

Yes. This.

Also: "SURPRISE - THERE'S AN AIRPLANE HERE TO SEE YOU!"

Wheee! Where? Where? OH, GOD, NO!! :crash:

Moving on--did Megan serve Don a plate of plain spaghetti? Was that a normal dinner in the 60s? When I was a little kid, at least my mom would put butter on my spaghetti.

What about Harry Crane and Paul? That whole segment was just weird. Anyone think we haven't seen the last of Paul?

Show of hands--who thought Joan and Don were finally going to go all the way? Does anyone think they will? When they started talking in the third person, I almost thought I was watching 'Game of Thrones' again.

I still think Megan is going to leave Don before the end of the season.

[gr8flscott]

Also: "SURPRISE - THERE'S AN AIRPLANE HERE TO SEE YOU!"

I love Joan...especially when she gets all catty!

[LisaLisa]

WTH is going on with 'Mad Men'? I'm still uber-psyched after 'Game of Thrones' and I feel like I stumbled into something very, very unsavory. More unsavory than usual.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

Just finished mad men. Um, wow. This was probably one of the better episodes. Every season there's one moment where I actually just laugh with glee.. Not necessarily because it's a funny line, but because it's a moment that so earned there's practically no other response. When Peggy told don where she was going, and his response? Oh man, probably one of my favorite mad men moments in the series.

I'm glad they ended with that and not Joan. So pissed she went through with it, and thought it was genius that don got there too late. Probably one of the Most heartbreaking/heart warming scenes of the series.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

That may have been the best episode of the season. So pissed at Joan, but just wow.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I will say though, I usually enjoy Mad Men's subtle nature, and they veered from that this week. The wife and I talked about it after the show, even though it was beautifully shot, the scene of Don pitching intermingled with Joan's act, seemed heavy handed. The whole episode it was pretty clear that the pitch for Jaguar was basically a metaphor for Joan, than that scene came and the subtle metaphor became Weiner beating us over the head with Thor's hammer.

Maybe that's just me though.

[teddyc]

I will say though, I usually enjoy Mad Men's subtle nature, and they veered from that this week. The wife and I talked about it after the show, even though it was beautifully shot, the scene of Don pitching intermingled with Joan's act, seemed heavy handed. The whole episode it was pretty clear that the pitch for Jaguar was basically a metaphor for Joan, than that scene came and the subtle metaphor became Weiner beating us over the head with Thor's hammer.

Maybe that's just me though.

It definitely seemed forced.

She made a business decision. We don't have to like it because we like Joan so much, but her 5% might become quite the windfall. Lane did the right thing steering her in the right direction.

Did Megan also choose the Casting Couch method of advancement? Showing her as a piece of meat at her audition was subtle and related to the story. And of course Peggy, who was also kind of used for her own benefit to get back at Don by his competition.

How this Peggy thing moves forward is quite the interesting story line. Because we can't lose Peggy.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

She made a business decision. We don't have to like it because we like Joan so much, but her 5% might become quite the windfall. Lane did the right thing steering her in the right direction.

lane steered her towards the shares because the company couldn't afford to give her money because he already extended the companies credit line to try and get himself out of debt. There was nothing noble about what he did at all. It was selfish, and it pushed her to do it.

Joan's decision was a horrible business decision. Horrible. If this show has shown anything, when you do something in this business it isn't kept a secret. SCDP is now the place that whores out its employees for business. Not only will they lose respect from other colleagues, they can possibly lose clients.

On top of that, you don't do something like that without clients asking for it again. You can try and deny it, but it won't work, or you can try and say it was a one time thing, and some of these business men will say " so my business isn't as important as jaguar?"

Lastly, Joan has to live with this for the course of her career. That new promotion is a big glaring reminder of that night. Everyone in the room knows why she's there. It's basically a scarlet letter.

Sure, it was a business decision, but I don't dislike it because I like Joan, I dislike it because it was a horrible decision for all parties involved, and I like Joan.

There's a reason don was so against it, and it wasn't just pride in his work. Honestly, no one in the room wanted her to do it, Pete completely manipulated the situation. I hope the elevator shaft opens up and he falls down it.

This post has been edited by SorryaboutthatWhoa: May 29 2012, 06:46 AM

[toph]

Oh man, what an episode.

[teddyc]

She made a business decision. We don't have to like it because we like Joan so much, but her 5% might become quite the windfall. Lane did the right thing steering her in the right direction.

lane steered her towards the shares because the company couldn't afford to give her money because he already extended the companies credit line to try and get himself out of debt. There was nothing noble about what he did at all. It was selfish, and it pushed her to do it.

Joan's decision was a horrible business decision. Horrible. If this show has shown anything, when you do something in this business it isn't kept a secret. SCDP is now the place that whores out its employees for business. Not only will they lose respect from other colleagues, they can possibly lose clients.

On top of that, you don't do something like that without clients asking for it again. You can try and deny it, but it won't work, or you can try and say it was a one time thing, and some of these business men will say " so my business isn't as important as jaguar?"

Lastly, Joan has to live with this for the course of her career. That new promotion is a big glaring reminder of that night. Everyone in the room knows why she's there. It's basically a scarlet letter.

Sure, it was a business decision, but I don't dislike it because I like Joan, I dislike it because it was a horrible decision for all parties involved, and I like Joan.

There's a reason don was so against it, and it wasn't just pride in his work. Honestly, no one in the room wanted her to do it, Pete completely manipulated the situation. I hope the elevator shaft opens up and he falls down it.

Joan was not without her history of sluttiness. So if she is taking care of her and her kid....screw her personal reputation. I like how she dropped the Emerald into her box...on top of the likely pile of previous trinkets she's collected. I agree that Lane attempted to protect himself first...but he did steer Joan into a good deal. Better than just the cash. She's a big girl. She can handle it.

As for the firm getting a black mark, I don't think the industry is well known for their moral behavior. If they get further inquiries about the same, well hell Pete can start hiring some hookers or take them (as Roger had done previous) to a house of ill repute. These guys were whore mongers and drunkards. Remember whats his face Duck? What a drunken mess! We're not talking modern sensibilities or business practices. For Joan this was an exception to the rule for now....to get the car. They can cross the bridge when they get to it, if another client expects the same.

Yeah...Pete is a scumbag. He is also good for business. (bottom line) but what a douchebag. And he's not even very good at trying to be manipulative. Joan nailed him to the wall. It was hilarious.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

As for the firm getting a black mark, I don't think the industry is well known for their moral behavior. If they get further inquiries about the same, well hell Pete can start hiring some hookers or take them (as Roger had done previous) to a house of ill repute.

Until existing clients want "THAT" redhead... This isn't going away

and that's how dirty it actually was. Roger didn't even want to do it or pay into it. ROGER. I can't believe you think this was a good business decision by any party involved.

This post has been edited by SorryaboutthatWhoa: May 29 2012, 08:45 AM

[teddyc]

As for the firm getting a black mark, I don't think the industry is well known for their moral behavior. If they get further inquiries about the same, well hell Pete can start hiring some hookers or take them (as Roger had done previous) to a house of ill repute.

Until existing clients want "THAT" redhead... This isn't going away

Yep. Like I said...

For Joan this was an exception to the rule for now....to get the car. They can cross the bridge when they get to it, if another client expects the same.

I hope for the sake of the show...it happens. I like things to be uncomfortable and memorable!

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

She is now the company whore, or the company loses business. There is no way this decision doesn't bite them in the ass.

Good for tv, HORRIBLE business decision, regardless of time period.

[teddyc]

As for the firm getting a black mark, I don't think the industry is well known for their moral behavior. If they get further inquiries about the same, well hell Pete can start hiring some hookers or take them (as Roger had done previous) to a house of ill repute.

Until existing clients want "THAT" redhead... This isn't going away

and that's how dirty it actually was. Roger didn't even want to do it or pay into it. ROGER. I can't believe you think this was a good business decision by any party involved.

While I do think that things like this have happened both with success and failure, It's a soap opera.
She's a sex bomb and she sold her ass for a piece of the company. GREAT story line.

[LisaLisa]

As for the firm getting a black mark, I don't think the industry is well known for their moral behavior. If they get further inquiries about the same, well hell Pete can start hiring some hookers or take them (as Roger had done previous) to a house of ill repute.

Until existing clients want "THAT" redhead... This isn't going away

and that's how dirty it actually was. Roger didn't even want to do it or pay into it. ROGER. I can't believe you think this was a good business decision by any party involved.

And the more they want her, the bigger the piece of the pie she'll ask for, and get. And when the company is worth millions, she'll have earned, yes, earned, a say in what happens to it. Especially as Cooper, and eventually Roger, die off. When Joan gets over her rigidly structured thinking about a woman's role in the workplace and realizes she has real power, watch out. Joan is not a stupid woman. And she knows how this business works.

You may hate the way she got that power, but she got it. And in a bottom line business that's what matters. And she doesn't have to live down a damn thing unless she lets other peoples opinions get to her. Given her upbringing, that's possible. But given how old attitudes about women are about to be strongly challenged across society, her way of thinking about herself and the decisions she's made could "evolve". I could see her seeking out Peggy's advice in the future. Hell, Peggy had a married man's baby, too. She didn't let that stop her.

[gr8flscott]

It definitely seemed forced.

She made a business decision. We don't have to like it because we like Joan so much, but her 5% might become quite the windfall. Lane did the right thing steering her in the right direction.

Did Megan also choose the Casting Couch method of advancement? Showing her as a piece of meat at her audition was subtle and related to the story. And of course Peggy, who was also kind of used for her own benefit to get back at Don by his competition.

How this Peggy thing moves forward is quite the interesting story line. Because we can't lose Peggy.

Maybe it wasn't any method at all. Maybe, being so desperate for a part (and to prove Don wrong), it was for a role in a "skin-flick"? Was it 4 girls in the callback, or 4 girls that got hired? I'd go see it!

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

As for the firm getting a black mark, I don't think the industry is well known for their moral behavior. If they get further inquiries about the same, well hell Pete can start hiring some hookers or take them (as Roger had done previous) to a house of ill repute.

Until existing clients want "THAT" redhead... This isn't going away

and that's how dirty it actually was. Roger didn't even want to do it or pay into it. ROGER. I can't believe you think this was a good business decision by any party involved.

And the more they want her, the bigger the piece of the pie she'll ask for, and get. And when the company is worth millions, she'll have earned, yes, earned, a say in what happens to it. Especially as Cooper, and eventually Roger, die off. When Joan gets over her rigidly structured thinking about a woman's role in the workplace and realizes she has real power, watch out. Joan is not a stupid woman. And she knows how this business works.

You may hate the way she got that power, but she got it. And in a bottom line business that's what matters. And she doesn't have to live down a damn thing unless she lets other peoples opinions get to her. Given her upbringing, that's possible. But given how old attitudes about women are about to be strongly challenged across society, her way of thinking about herself and the decisions she's made could "evolve". I could see her seeking out Peggy's advice in the future. Hell, Peggy had a married man's baby, too. She didn't let that stop her.

When the company is worth millions? Like it's a given? The news of this can get out and Jaguar can get angry and decide to walk away and SCDP is worse off than they were before this all happened. I could see that being the season finale honestly.

Look, I get enjoying the storyline from an entertainment stand point, but the fact that people are actually trying to defend the actions as anything but disgusting is absolutely completely lost on me.

It seems people are also forgetting the possible legal implications here. When word starts spreading, AND IT WILL SPREAD, this was prostitution. That's getting into the papers for ALL the wrong reasons and could be a potential storyline for next season as the company faces investigation.

And oh yeah, Joan is still married, so this can used against her in upcoming divorce hearings. It could be used against her character for her husband to try and take custody away from her.

But yeah, she should totally just keep doing her and not worrying about public opinion, it's not like she has anything on the line...

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

God, this could be devastating for Joan.

A divorce hearing where it's the word of a War surgeon against a women whose being accused of whoring herself out? In the 60s? She'd lose the baby in a second.

[teddyc]

God, this could be devastating for Joan.

A divorce hearing where it's the word of a War surgeon against a women whose being accused of whoring herself out? In the 60s? She'd lose the baby in a second.

Men didn't raise no kids back then...but nice idea!

I still think he gets killed in the Nam.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

God, this could be devastating for Joan.

A divorce hearing where it's the word of a War surgeon against a women whose being accused of whoring herself out? In the 60s? She'd lose the baby in a second.

Men didn't raise no kids back then...but nice idea!

I still think he gets killed in the Nam.

I thought of that, but it wasn't out of the question. There were in fact custody battles in the 60s and I think Joan getting caught doing what she did might be enough to have him fight for the child and in all likely hood his mother would end up raising it.

Look, my point is, I don't agree with the sentiment being tossed around that what Joan did was some kind of master stroke of genius that holds no consequences for the future and was some kind of genius masterstroke of empowerment.

Pete manipulated her into doing it. The father of her child did nothing to stop it, which helped push her. Lane manipulated her into doing it not only for the company but his own gains in what she ended up accepting for it.

She was manipulated every step of the way. I fully believe that had Don gotten to her before, she wouldn't have done it, thus erasing the spin that people are trying to put on the situation.

Peggy's was a story of empowerment and triumph. Joan's was not and it's kind of weird it's being spun that way.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

It's almost as if the juxtaposition of Peggy and Joan was lost on some people.

Peggy had money thrown at her and she said "fuck this" and left for another company. Her situation wasn't about money because Don would've gave her more and she refused.

Joan had money thrown at her and she accepted it and completely sold herself out.

It just amazes me that anyone could look at that episode and think "you go girl" I was cringing in my seat the whole time.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

Yeah, I'm with SATS on this one. It was really well done from a show perspective, but its basically impossible to defend her.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

Yeah, I'm with SATS on this one. It was really well done from a show perspective, but its basically impossible to defend her.

Just to be clear I think its impossible to defend any of them, not just her.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

Yeah, I'm with SATS on this one. It was really well done from a show perspective, but its basically impossible to defend her.

Just to be clear I think its impossible to defend any of them, not just her.

No I know what you meant. And I agree. It just seemed the conversation was focusing on Joan.

[teddyc]

I'm glad that Joan fucked her way to the top. Adds some juice to the show.
If she turns it into a windfall...awesome. She has one of the more level heads in the company.

If she ends up homeless or running a brothel...it would make a great spinoff.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I'm glad that Joan fucked her way to the top. Adds some juice to the show.
If she turns it into a windfall...awesome. She has one of the more level heads in the company.

If she ends up homeless or running a brothel...it would make a great spinoff.

I think you're missing where the conversation went. No one argued whether or not it was good telelvisin at any point.

People started defending the situation within real world parameters outside of the show.

[teddyc]

I'm glad that Joan fucked her way to the top. Adds some juice to the show.
If she turns it into a windfall...awesome. She has one of the more level heads in the company.

If she ends up homeless or running a brothel...it would make a great spinoff.

I think you're missing where the conversation went. No one argued whether or not it was good telelvisin at any point.

People started defending the situation within real world parameters outside of the show.

But you ARE dismissing the possibility that it could work out for Joan. Give me some odds. 70/30 ? 50/50 ?
What are the odds that Joan's 1967 decision works out for her...or has a negligible effect on her career or life in a real world parameter?

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I'm glad that Joan fucked her way to the top. Adds some juice to the show.
If she turns it into a windfall...awesome. She has one of the more level heads in the company.

If she ends up homeless or running a brothel...it would make a great spinoff.

I think you're missing where the conversation went. No one argued whether or not it was good telelvisin at any point.

People started defending the situation within real world parameters outside of the show.

But you ARE dismissing the possibility that it could work out for Joan. Give me some odds. 70/30 ? 50/50 ?
What are the odds that Joan's 1967 decision works out for her...or has a negligible effect on her career or life in a real world parameter?

Given the fact that this is Mad Men? Tell me how many storylines have ended in happiness on this show again...

Regardless, I just find it odd that people took a stance that this was good business. Do you honestly feel that way outside of the realm of entertainment? If so, not to be this guy, would you encourage your kids to go that route?

That's my point all along, this isn't how you go about business.

This post has been edited by SorryaboutthatWhoa: May 30 2012, 05:50 PM

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

This also wasn't something done without any loose ends. Obviously Joan, the partners, and the guy from jaguar wouldn't talk about it, but that leaves Cosgrove.

A disgruntled Cosgrove who got pissed off about being told to dump his writing work and then off camera plotted a departure with Peggy, who btw is gone now so there's no reason for him to stay, or keep his mouth shut.

If I remember correctly Cosgrove has slipped off at the mouth before too.

So, I would think about that as well.

[Bavoo]

I forgot about Cosgrove. Yeah, I can definitely see him jumping ship now that Peggy's gone and "letting it slip" that Joan did the nasty to get Jaguar.

Now...I DO NOT...REPEAT DO NOT...FEEL THIS WAY OK? Is that clear? I AM TRYING TO THINK LIKE A 1960s BUSINESSMAN.

If this thing with Joan works out and she really becomes a force in the room when Roger and the Old Man finally kick off, doesn't every older guy think she fucked her way to the boardroom?

I mean we are talking about 1960s business right? Joan is a smoking hot ex-office manager (anyone who knows the firm will have known her prior position) who is all of a sudden a partner. Um, yeah..they are all thinking it. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that they KNOW it. The younger clients that don't know Joan's roots and the company may not suspect it and they even be impressed by a female partner...but clients like Heinz...yeah, they get it.

This post has been edited by Bavoo: May 31 2012, 07:05 AM

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I also want to make clear, I know that this territory isn't new for the show. The salesmen are getting "talent" for clients all the time, I'm not naive to that. They do what they need to do to make the client happy.

What makes this situation different is that Joan works for the company. There is a huge difference between the company steering the clients in the right direction, and paying for it, and the company actually employing someone who has sex with a client in return for the possibility of work. This COULD, I'm not saying definitely, have some very real repercussions. Again, Sterling isn't stupid, there's a reason he said he wouldn't pay for such a thing to happen. There is a huge line in the sand that very clearly separates the two and why this is dirty business compared to what they would normally do.

I already outlined how something like this could effect Joan if it got out, but let's say there IS an investigation. I'm pretty sure there's a main character we all know and love who wouldn't want anybody looking into his background.

I'm interested to see where Weiner goes with all of this. If anything we've seen over the years that very little on the show is just filler. Cosgrove's writing story arch and then reveal of a plan with Peggy is not something I think will be thrown out. Basically, I don't think it's an accident that he was the one in the meeting with Pete where the proposal was made. There's a definite slow burn work in place with him.

I'm also interested to see where they go with Betty's husband. I don't think him talking about being in a bad campaign was just to compound Betty's misery. I think he might be taking a career turn that could in fact link back to SCDP somehow. Maybe he ends up getting into some public office position and wouldn't be looking to do Don any favors. At the same time, it very well could've been to compound her misery.

[LisaLisa]

OK, so, yeah, you want me to start this one off? 'K.


Well, I missed the first part because I was still wrapped up in a 'Game of Thrones' season finale fog--so it took some time for anything to register on Mad Men. I missed any reference to Peggy's departure, so I can't comment on that.

So, Sally's "red flower has bloomed" (cross-show references)? And Betty was...well, she was as understanding as she is capable of being. The cuddle on the bed helped. But her emotional distance from Sally is so evident. I was wondering how she became so detached and then I thought, she was never "attached" to her daughter in the first place, so she could never became detached. That's sad for Sally because that gulf lasts a lifetime. Also, I loved Sally's boots. They were made for walking.

Oh, let's see--what else happened? Holy f#ck, Lane! That was creepy, so creepy. I'm of two minds on them cutting him down. Pete was right, it was a crime scene and they shouldn't have touched a thing. Then again, they knew him. If I were in their place, I'd probably opt to cut him down, too. I couldn't leave him there for strangers to take away like some other random stranger. Still, we knew it was coming, but it was still upsetting. And what does it say about Lane that his suicide note was, as Roger stated, "A resignation letter. Boilerplate." Is that how he saw himself? A man without a real identity. Again, sad, very sad.

And, yeah, I wonder how Don is going to process this?

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I missed any reference to Peggy's departure, so I can't comment on that.

There wasn't even a hint of her leaving.

So, Sally's "red flower has bloomed" (cross-show references)? And Betty was...well, she was as understanding as she is capable of being. The cuddle on the bed helped. But her emotional distance from Sally is so evident. I was wondering how she became so detached and then I thought, she was never "attached" to her daughter in the first place, so she could never became detached. That's sad for Sally because that gulf lasts a lifetime. Also, I loved Sally's boots. They were made for walking.

I am so disinterested in everything Betty and Sally, it holds no interest to me. Glen is somehow creepy and dull all at the same time. During the quick previews, Megan is on the phone and yells at someone "you know I can hear you!" If it's Glen going down the wanting Don's women thing again, consider me bored. It also doesn't help that I found out Glen is Weiner's son. Can't help but feel like it's the only reason there is a Glen storyline.

Oh, let's see--what else happened? Holy f#ck, Lane! That was creepy, so creepy. I'm of two minds on them cutting him down. Pete was right, it was a crime scene and they shouldn't have touched a thing. Then again, they knew him. If I were in their place, I'd probably opt to cut him down, too. I couldn't leave him there for strangers to take away like some other random stranger. Still, we knew it was coming, but it was still upsetting. And what does it say about Lane that his suicide note was, as Roger stated, "A resignation letter. Boilerplate." Is that how he saw himself? A man without a real identity. Again, sad, very sad.

And, yeah, I wonder how Don is going to process this?

The Lane storyline was really tragic. I definitely felt for the character, but like you said, for the viewer it was painfully obvious that this was the end game so it took a bit out of it. For me at least.

I thought taking down the body was crazy stupid, but I'm not familiar with 1960s crime investigations. If it was me, I'm not touching a damned thing. It goes from a guy hanging in his office, to a guy lying on a couch with a noose around his neck. I'm sure it won't amount to anything, but I agreed with Pete.

I'm sure Don will question his decision to make him resign, but you can't keep the guy after that. It was too egregious.

I love that Cosgrove held the Joan thing over Roger's head like a big fuck you. "I don't want to be partner, I've seen what comes with it" BOOM! Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I can't think of a single morally corrupt thing that he's done and I'm glad he's giving a big ol' "you guys suck" to these scum bags. Plus, anytime conflict is about to arise with Pete, I'm a fan.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

Fuck, man. Lane.

This season has been unreal, probably the best since season 1.

[Sed]

Loved that the Jag wouldn't start, and loved Glen's comment re: the diorama 'family.'

[gr8flscott]

It's just too bad that there were no security cameras back then.

Then there's Sally. Poor, poor Sally, "Are You There God It's Me Margaret" hadn't been written yet!

[gr8flscott]

double post

This post has been edited by gr8flscott: Jun 5 2012, 09:17 AM

[LisaLisa]

Lots of ungrateful bitches all up in this here house.

[toph]

This show fucking rules.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

eh, I thought it was kind of disappointing for their season finale. Episode wasn't bad, but when compared to the 4 other season finales this was pretty pedestrian.

[gr8flscott]

eh, I thought it was kind of disappointing for their season finale. Episode wasn't bad, but when compared to the 4 other season finales this was pretty pedestrian.

This. My wife and I were very disappointed. We also agreed that it might have been the worst episode of the season. If Don doesn't answer "yes", I'm giving up on him!!!

[xcdudesquadloves...]

Not really sure how I felt about the finale. It was a great episode, but I also got the feeling it was incomplete. The last scene though (after Don walks away from the commercial set) is just fantastic.

There was something missing and the climax of the season clearly passed. I was just left feeling empty and unresolved and not in a cliffhanger way.

[LisaLisa]

I dunno. I was underwhelmed. I never got into Pete's storyline this season, so it just irked me. His hypocrisy was over the top. He calls another man disgusting for cheating on eventually committing his wife, but he pursued and screwed the same woman for his own selfish needs. F U Campbell. It was good to see Peggy thriving. And another reason I liked it because it showed that they plan on following Peggy's storyline despite her leaving SCD&P. Speaking of SCD&P, I wonder if they're going to change the name with Lane Pryce dead and basically bought out of the company? And they're confident enough to expand to a 2nd floor? With a stairway no less. Thank you, Jaguar.

So with Don giving Megan what she wanted (and she wasn't above kicking her friend to the curb--so Megan can be bad), did Don say goodbye to her before she says goodbye to him? The long walk off the soundstage and into the bar was a curious choice, and I think the best thing about the finale. And then the last question, was Don alone? I think the answer would've been "no" but the truth is "yes". Don is alone. Again.

I know this was a few episodes back, but I wanted to go back to the "Joan Incident". I disagree with SATS. I don't think there will be any repercussions for Joan or the company. Peggy used her abilities and her ambition to get a step up the ladder. Joan used sex. Both ways work. They worked then, they work even now. I think both ways are a specific reflection of the women in question in how they see the world and how they see themselves. The only way Joan's actions could backfire on her would be if the men around her thought less of her after she'd "done the deed". They didn't, they don't care. "Let's move on", that's their attitude. The pursuit of the next big account is what matters most. It's always what matters most.

And holy sh#t, Roger and Megan's mother?!

[LisaLisa]

OK, so, yeah, you want me to start this one off? 'K.


Well, I missed the first part because I was still wrapped up in a 'Game of Thrones' season finale fog--so it took some time for anything to register on Mad Men. I missed any reference to Peggy's departure, so I can't comment on that.

So, Sally's "red flower has bloomed" (cross-show references)? And Betty was...well, she was as understanding as she is capable of being. The cuddle on the bed helped. But her emotional distance from Sally is so evident. I was wondering how she became so detached and then I thought, she was never "attached" to her daughter in the first place, so she could never became detached. That's sad for Sally because that gulf lasts a lifetime. Also, I loved Sally's boots. They were made for walking.

Oh, let's see--what else happened? Holy f#ck, Lane! That was creepy, so creepy. I'm of two minds on them cutting him down. Pete was right, it was a crime scene and they shouldn't have touched a thing. Then again, they knew him. If I were in their place, I'd probably opt to cut him down, too. I couldn't leave him there for strangers to take away like some other random stranger. Still, we knew it was coming, but it was still upsetting. And what does it say about Lane that his suicide note was, as Roger stated, "A resignation letter. Boilerplate." Is that how he saw himself? A man without a real identity. Again, sad, very sad.

And, yeah, I wonder how Don is going to process this?

So Lane's suicide made Don remember his brother? They could've (and should've) spent more time with that.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who was pretty meh last night.

Not a single thing happened last night that has me dying for next season. Pete's gunna have an apartment? Don's going to cheat, again? Peggy is successful? The office is bigger?

meh.

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It just all seemed so muddled. What was the point of the humping dogs?

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Joan used sex. Both ways work. They worked then, they work even now.

I think what is being missed in that incident is that it wasn't her choice. Many people keep trying to spin it to make it her choice, but watch the episode again. She is manipulated every step of the way.

This was NOT the way she wanted to do things.

There seems to be this weird contingent of people who think that was empowering for Joan. I guess I was watching a different episode.

As far as repercussions, I still wouldn't be surprised to see this come back to bite them. Again, no matter how much anyone tries to spin it, Joan was a prostitute for a night, she was a whore. SCDP were her pimps.

I've said it before, there is a huge difference between pointing a client in the right direction to be a John, and actually paying a women who is your employee to have sex with a client.

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I dunno. I was underwhelmed. I never got into Pete's storyline this season, so it just irked me. His hypocrisy was over the top. He calls another man disgusting for cheating on eventually committing his wife, but he pursued and screwed the same woman for his own selfish needs. F U Campbell.

He needs to have shock treatment himself!

It was good to see Peggy thriving. And another reason I liked it because it showed that they plan on following Peggy's storyline despite her leaving SCD&P. Speaking of SCD&P, I wonder if they're going to change the name with Lane Pryce dead and basically bought out of the company? And they're confident enough to expand to a 2nd floor? With a stairway no less. Thank you, Jaguar.

Sounds just like another recent remodeling! Good point about the name change. I didn't even think about that.

And holy sh#t, Roger and Megan's mother?!

I think Roger is gonna wind up going to Woodstock and then tour with the Grateful Dead!