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[Eric]

She said no thank you to that bridge to nowhere doncha know!

[Ebase]

She said no thank you to that bridge to nowhere doncha know!

I calls bullshit on that one too.

She was all for it until it became such a 3rd rail issue on the national stage and the poster child for government waste. Furthermore, Citizens Against Government Waste (a tea-bag sweetheart) ranked Alaska as number one in its list of pork barrel recipients. In 2008, every Alaskan received on average: $555 in pork barrel spending making it the most heavily welfare'd state in the union. By comparison, $25 for every person in Illinois, and $15 for every person in Arizona.

Yet, again this is the state with the lowest population and the highest natural resource revenue in the Union.

She railed(s) against pork-barrel spending as a maverick out there. Yet... the real maverick: John McCain had railed against pork as the centerpiece of his senatorial platform. And backed it up with action.

That was as authentic as Paul Revere telling everyone to grab their rifles and protect the 2nd Amendment from the British.

Eric, doncha know this is not a rail against you at all BTW.

What I will never figure out with the right is this love affair with a mythical figure who was never who she made herself out to be. And her total reinvention of American history, her history, Alaska's history, the Constitution, Israel, socialist-communist-facist boogie men, the left, Al Qaeda, President W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan. Why is it that so many right-wing supporters just give her a free pass because she spouts out some blustery rhetoric?

It makes me sick to think about how these people invoke Ronald Reagan. Reagan was not God. Reagan did some very good things for this country: cold-war, national pride etc... but Reagan left the country in complete and total deregulated, deficit spent, raised debt ceiling nightmare. George Bush Sr. himself called Reagan's spending spree unsustainable and he coined the term, "voodoo economics." And when Bush inherited the mess that Reagan left behind and was forced by the GOP to use the rhetoric of, "read my lips: no new taxes" as the country sank deeper and deeper into recession this moment in history is forgotten quickly by Palin and the others in the GOP.

[LisaLisa]

I understand your point. But, she still did a good job making the right decisions, mostly, for that state as governor. You can't deny that. If she goes back to governing Alaska, i think she would do fine.

But she won't. She's not a governor. She has not titles. If she were interested in the actual work of government, she'd still be governor of Alaska. Like Donald Trump, she's an attention whore. If she were serious about governing, and wanting attention, she would have done what Hillary did.

[Charlie]

All I have to say is this. With the possible exception of Ronald Reagan, no president since FDR has been reelected with 7% unemployment or higher. It would be an absolute miracle if unemployment dropped to 7% by the time the election comes around.

The Republicans can fuck this up in two ways.

1) Going crazy ideological in the primaries and coming up with Palin, Bachmann, or some other right winger as the candidate. Independents, Democrats, and a lot of Republicans despise these candidates. It would be a cakewalk for Obama.

2) Elect a more centrist candidate like Romney or Huntsman, but then screw up the message, focusing on right wing agendas instead of talking about the economy.

As long as the Republicans elect a sane candidate, and hammer at Obama about the economy it is just really difficult to see Obama getting reelected. Too many people in this country are worried about the economy, and historically the president takes the hit for that.

This post has been edited by Charlie: Jun 3 2011, 04:52 PM

[Hockey101]

I tell you this:

The GOP is not assembling an impressive array to take on Obama. Right now, somewhere in the bowels of the Democratic Election machine is a bunch of people asking themselves, "seriously?"

Right now, and mind you I have a pretty inaccurate crystal ball, it looks to me a little like when Bob Dole became the GOP nominee. And he was faced off against Bill Clinton. We shall see, but as of right now the group that the GOP is preparing to field are all pretty weak candidates.
myth... What did she do that was so mind-shattering for Alaska? She put the State jet on E-Bay? Come on now. Palin has reached a mythic status where she swung down from the heavens and swung her hammer of justice and fixed the state with the lowest population and the most revenue from natural resources. I have read of all of her so called, "achievements" and almost none of them were earth shattering nor anything special. But she sure does a lot of chest thumping over that 2-years of game changing.

Yeah, the GOP thought about that too in 2004, and Kerry wasn't at all popular, but he almost won with the anti-Bush vote. Back then it was about the war and national security, though, and more Americans thought it best to re-elect Bush on those issues.

For now the GOP doesn't seem to have a star, but we'll see. There is still time to make some noise. I mean, was Obama as star when he entered the nomination race? No. He was a nobody with no experience what so ever and Hillary was thought to be the all-star with Edwards as a popular candidate. Obama was nobody, but within months of the actual race, he became a star for his party.

So, you never know how and when trends pop out of nowhere.

The problem with Obama is that he has a lot going against him. A big loss in the 2010 elections. The economy reportedly getting worse in most areas. A lot of, and i do mean a lot, of spending without any strong results. A healthcare plan that looks shady, incomplete, and very bureaucratic. He hasn't done much on foreign policy except some gaffes that are worthy of making fun ads on TV. I truly think he blew the 1967 border call with Israel and people will be disturbed by it.

Obama hasn't necessarily been directly challenged yet, and right now the guy is just a charismatic politician, but with bad results (in my opinion). And i see him having a very tough time defending the economic status especially if he goes against an economist in Romney then i truly think it will be tough. This is a guy who did Stanford, Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. Romney will not be that popular cool looking guy with swagger, surely, but i think this kind of election will not be about who looks sharper, cooler, and more hip. This election will be about the domestic negatives and Obama will definitely struggle to defend them.

I think Romney needs to be given a chance because i see him as a likable guy. Is he young, cool, and charismatic? No. But he has a good resume and i think many Americans will want a leader who actually has a clue on the economy, and not Obama. We'll see.... a lot needs to happen and not happen, but we can't know for sure if the GOP has a star or not. The Democrats did not have one in 2004, but almost won anyway with a referendum on Bush. In 2008 Clinton and Edwards were seen as most likely to duel it out, Hillary being he star, but Obama came out of nowhere and became one.

We'll see what happens.

[Hockey101]

All I have to say is this. With the possible exception of Ronald Reagan, no president since FDR has been reelected with 7% unemployment or higher. It would be an absolute miracle if unemployment dropped to 7% by the time the election comes around.

The Republicans can fuck this up in two ways.

1) Going crazy ideological in the primaries and coming up with Palin, Bachmann, or some other right winger as the candidate. Independents, Democrats, and a lot of Republicans despise these candidates. It would be a cakewalk for Obama.

2) Elect a more centrist candidate like Romney or Huntsman, but then screw up the message, focusing on right wing agendas instead of talking about the economy.

As long as the Republicans elect a sane candidate, and hammer at Obama about the economy it is just really difficult to see Obama getting reelected. Too many people in this country are worried about the economy, and historically the president takes the hit for that.

Well said, but i think there is always a first time for everything and Obama can definitely be the first president to win re-election even with such a despicable economy.

[Charlie]

Well said, but i think there is always a first time for everything and Obama can definitely be the first president to win re-election even with such a despicable economy.

I agree, because contrary to what you said I think he has been an ace foreign policy wise.

If he can explain that the absolute best president in the world wouldn't have too much power to shore up the economy (housing prices falling being the really important thing not everyone is talking about) he has a chance.

[Ebase]

Yeah, the GOP thought about that too in 2004, and Kerry wasn't at all popular, but he almost won with the anti-Bush vote. Back then it was about the war and national security, though, and more Americans thought it best to re-elect Bush on those issues.

For now the GOP doesn't seem to have a star, but we'll see.

So, you never know how and when trends pop out of

want a leader who actually has a clue on the economy, and not Obama. We'll see....

Romney is a Mormon and there is no way in hell that the Christian Right will get behind him.

Romney is to left wing for the Tea-baggers. He implemented health care and he will not pivot off of that one.

Ultimately I think the GOP is going to be forced to back a Bachmann or Palin in order to have a chance. Other then that the Obama Administration is going to return to the Oval Office.

[ThunderDawg]

I understand your point. But, she still did a good job making the right decisions, mostly, for that state as governor. You can't deny that. If she goes back to governing Alaska, i think she would do fine.

She DIDN'T Do a Good Job if She was FORCED to Quit. This is UN-Equivocal. There is literally NO Argument that can justify she did a good job if she quit. Half Way Through.

[ThunderDawg]

Romney is a Mormon and there is no way in hell that the Christian Right will get behind him.

The only reason a Catholic priest won't get behind him is he's too old and not cute enough.

[Eric]

As Walter Sobchak would say, "OVER THE LINE!"

[Hockey101]

I agree, because contrary to what you said I think he has been an ace foreign policy wise.

If he can explain that the absolute best president in the world wouldn't have too much power to shore up the economy (housing prices falling being the really important thing not everyone is talking about) he has a chance.

Agree to disagree on his foreign policy, even though i give him tremendous points for calling the shot on bin Laden. As for the economy, we'll see how he explains things. Obviously in a speech he would be well prepared, but when he speaks his mind he either says some stupid things or he doesn't get any points across. And Romney keeps mentioning the housing market, frequently.

I've said this since 2008. The housing market is huge. It's a huge problem if it keeps declining because of the domino effect it has on industries in general. It's a really bad situation and i would not be ready to blame the president, rather any president, 100% on this, but responsibility to lead and try to push ideas, and manipulate it to allow it to prosper is where i think Obama failed big time.

We'll see. He has a chance to win because he is Obama. He has a chance to lose because he is Obama. It'll be interesting.

[Hockey101]

Romney is a Mormon and there is no way in hell that the Christian Right will get behind him.

Romney is to left wing for the Tea-baggers. He implemented health care and he will not pivot off of that one.

Ultimately I think the GOP is going to be forced to back a Bachmann or Palin in order to have a chance. Other then that the Obama Administration is going to return to the Oval Office.

I'm still not sure about this mormon thing. I know there will be a big group going against him for that sole reason, but that big group also did not do a thing against Obama. The independents and moderate Republicans are a bigger group.

So far, although not a strong indicator, all polls have Romney in first by a pretty good lead. I mean, if it was such a huge problem, then i don't think he'd have a good lead over other candidates.

Hannity interviewed Romney last night and Romney put out some good pointers on his healthcare law compared to Obamacare. And again the guy does not mind saying his wrongs. He backs his plan, but admitted to knowing about imperfections and some things he would change to it. In general he also said that he learned from many mistakes as well. It's not easy to see a presidential candidate coming out and saying such frequently. He made it very clear that he will repeal Obamacare.

But, i think Romney needs to be given a chance. He will get that chance, and it will be up to him to lose it. I believe he has the majority of support from Republicans, for now, in a general point of view.

It's going to be a process and everything right now is too premature to predict or even assume.

[Hockey101]

She DIDN'T Do a Good Job if She was FORCED to Quit. This is UN-Equivocal. There is literally NO Argument that can justify she did a good job if she quit. Half Way Through.

Oh come on, don't give me that. She wasn't forced to quit. She had good approval ratings. She was chosen because she was young, appealing, a woman, and conservative for McCain's lack of support from conservatives.

In June 2007, Palin signed a record $6.6 billion operating budget into law.[92] At the same time, she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. The $237 million in cuts represented over 300 local projects, and reduced the construction budget to $1.6 billion.[93]
In 2008, Palin vetoed $286 million, cutting or reducing funding for 350 projects from the FY09 capital budget.[94]
Palin followed through on a campaign promise to sell the Westwind II jet, a purchase made by the Murkowski administration for $2.7 million in 2005 against the wishes of the legislature.[95] In August 2007, the jet was listed on eBay, but the sale fell through, and the plane was later sold for $2.1 million through a private brokerage firm.[96]

In two years, that's good. Who cares that it's a small state in terms of population. You still run it. If you think you can do a better job than her then go run for public office.

[ThunderDawg]

Oh come on, don't give me that. She wasn't forced to quit. She had good approval ratings. She was chosen because she was young, appealing, a woman, and conservative for McCain's lack of support from conservatives.
In two years, that's good. Who cares that it's a small state in terms of population. You still run it. If you think you can do a better job than her then go run for public office.

The Bitch couldn't stand the fuckin' heat. She needs to get back in the kitchen. and make me some fucken pie.

[Charlie]

About the whole Mormon thing. It would make sense on the surface, but he actually polls quite well amongst evangelicals.

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpoliti...arch%202011.JPG

Considering Huckabee isn't running that puts him in pretty good shape.

As for the whole Romney healthcare thing. I don't know all that much about it. I have heard that outside of the whole federal vs. state thing it is very similar to Obama's healthcare plan. Apparently it has worked quite well in Massachusetts. If it has worked, which is what I've been told, there is absolutely no reason he should back away from it. Abandoning a successful policy because it angers your party's base is just wrong.

[Nilan 666]

I find it hilarious that so much of the small government party wants the woman who ran the ultimate welfare state in charge.

[the old mole]

About the whole Mormon thing. It would make sense on the surface, but he actually polls quite well amongst evangelicals.

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpoliti...arch%202011.JPG

Considering Huckabee isn't running that puts him in pretty good shape.

As for the whole Romney healthcare thing. I don't know all that much about it. I have heard that outside of the whole federal vs. state thing it is very similar to Obama's healthcare plan. Apparently it has worked quite well in Massachusetts. If it has worked, which is what I've been told, there is absolutely no reason he should back away from it. Abandoning a successful policy because it angers your party's base is just wrong.

I think the soundbyte they're going with is that Romney's health care plan works on the state level and it's a decision that should be left up to the states because states' rights are good and the federal government is bad. You can't go wrong as a Republican with that argument.

[Hockey101]

The Bitch couldn't stand the fuckin' heat. She needs to get back in the kitchen. and make me some fucken pie.

Okay Cartman.

[Kusand]

101, you realize Palin quit as governor on her own, not because she was nominated for VP or lost the election, right?

[Hockey101]

About the whole Mormon thing. It would make sense on the surface, but he actually polls quite well amongst evangelicals.

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpoliti...arch%202011.JPG

Considering Huckabee isn't running that puts him in pretty good shape.

As for the whole Romney healthcare thing. I don't know all that much about it. I have heard that outside of the whole federal vs. state thing it is very similar to Obama's healthcare plan. Apparently it has worked quite well in Massachusetts. If it has worked, which is what I've been told, there is absolutely no reason he should back away from it. Abandoning a successful policy because it angers your party's base is just wrong.

Right, and there is a group called Evangelicals for Mitt and they have their own web site as well. Though i never put too much into polls, this is quite specific. And, it's not like there aren't any evangelicals in the northern states either.

Dick Morris is really researching these primaries for the GOP hard and he's no big fan of Romney either, but his polling really puts Romney up and he does think that he will be the guy. If there was such a strong sentiment against Romney, he would be within two..max three points in polls. What does bother me, though, is that some conservatives are being plain foolish by not showing their liking to Romney. Yes, he flipped flopped on abortion, but he is not defending it. The guy said he was wrong about it and actually acted on his words and even received awards for his movement against abortion.

As for the Romneycare.... i think the guy can explain it in Chinese and no one will see it the way he saw it. If i can try to find Hannity interviewing Romney on this in NH, you'd get a better view as to what he was trying to do, and i find it just in some cases. He said people were cheating themselves in using government aid for healthcare when they could have easily afforded insurance and he put an end to that. He went on to say he'd make changes to it, that he had to come to compromises with a very liberal legislature, but that he also vetoed a lot of liberal legislatures. I think he said he made over 500 vetoes. And the Heritage Foundation, a conservative group, even worked with him on his healthcare plan.

There are definitely similarities, but the situation was different. Romney had a balanced budget, a surplus. Obama did not. Romney had strong support of it. Obama did not. Romney did not want people taking advantage of the gov's system and wanted them to make their choices for their health insurance. Obama did not; he wants people to take the plan and use it as they please. Romney's plan was specific, concise, and well structured that it only had 70 pages to it. Obama had over 2,000 pages of it, that not even his own party cared enough to read, but just wanted to get it signed to then later find out what was in it.

If Romney wins debates, and shows his greater strength on the economy, and uses his resume against the other nominees, i think he will win. If Romney performs so-so in debates, and doesn't respond well enough to questions, then he will lose to someone else; and, i think that's his weakness...his responses in the debates weren't as sharp in 2008. Hopefully he practiced, he got better, and will hit the ball out of the ballpark.

We'll see.

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This post has been edited by Hockey101: Jun 3 2011, 11:58 PM

[Hockey101]

I think the soundbyte they're going with is that Romney's health care plan works on the state level and it's a decision that should be left up to the states because states' rights are good and the federal government is bad. You can't go wrong as a Republican with that argument.

But it's true. I've been a strong advocate on states vs. federal. Even years before 2008 in debates on here on abortion or gay marriage, i always said leave it up to the states. And i find that to be correct.

[Hockey101]

101, you realize Palin quit as governor on her own, not because she was nominated for VP or lost the election, right?

I do and i actually made a confusion there thinking she was forced to quit to join McCain.

Nonetheless, i think that she saw a better life elsewhere and called it an early retirement in politics for the time being. She wasn't forced to quit because the GOP would have easily wanted her as a DC member after her gubernatorial term. Tonight on Hannity she pretty much made it known that she likes what she is doing and likes to be free, independent, and to succeed without a title. In other words, she doesn't want a political title.

[Kusand]

I do and i actually made a confusion there thinking she was forced to quit to join McCain.

Nonetheless, i think that she saw a better life elsewhere and called it an early retirement in politics for the time being. She wasn't forced to quit because the GOP would have easily wanted her as a DC member after her gubernatorial term. Tonight on Hannity she pretty much made it known that she likes what she is doing and likes to be free, independent, and to succeed without a title. In other words, she doesn't want a political title.

Fine, but then let's not pretend she should ever be elected again. When you walk away from your elected office mid-term, I think you concede a lot of credibility about politics.

[Eric]

When you think Paul Revere banged on bells to "warn the British that they wouldn't be taking our arms." I think you cocede a lot of credibility.

[Charlie]

When you think Paul Revere banged on bells to "warn the British that they wouldn't be taking our arms." I think you cocede a lot of credibility.

Politicians gaff all the time, but I can't remember someone fucking up as consistently as she does. I mean GWB misspoke a lot, he would forget what he was saying, but I can't remember him just flat out being wrong historically. Palin and Bachmann, the moronic faces of the tea party.

[Hockey101]

Fine, but then let's not pretend she should ever be elected again. When you walk away from your elected office mid-term, I think you concede a lot of credibility about politics.

But say she runs for governor of Alaska again 15 years from now with polls giving her good favorability. I don't see the problem with that.

[leetchie69]

She is still going on about it and defending it!


http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive...aul_Revere.html

She is taking the what do you read-gate defense.

“In a shout-out, gotcha type of question that was asked of me, I answered candidly and I know my American history,” she added.

This post has been edited by leetchie69: Jun 5 2011, 10:14 AM

[Hockey101]

She is still going on about it and defending it!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive...aul_Revere.html

She is taking the what do you read-gate defense.

Seriously, who cares?

May as well say that Obama made himself look like a rude idiot talking during the start of England's anthem. As much as he looked stupid in not even immediately understanding what was going on, it's not worth making a big deal about it. And it wasn't made into that either. Now had it been Bush you guys would have flooded a thread on it

[Ebase]

Politicians gaff all the time, but I can't remember someone fucking up as consistently as she does. I mean GWB misspoke a lot, he would forget what he was saying, but I can't remember him just flat out being wrong historically. Palin and Bachmann, the moronic faces of the tea party.

But W. made gaffes trying to make his points. It was funny for that reason.

Palin simply has no idea what the hell she is talking about. And she is supremely confident doing it.

[Beamer]

Still blows me away that normally functional human beings don't see that Sarah Palin is not a normally functional human being.

[leetchie69]

Seriously, who cares?

May as well say that Obama made himself look like a rude idiot talking during the start of England's anthem. As much as he looked stupid in not even immediately understanding what was going on, it's not worth making a big deal about it. And it wasn't made into that either. Now had it been Bush you guys would have flooded a thread on it

It is the fact that she won't own up to messing up...she is trying to spin it and is looking stupid in the process...granted not much effort is required on her part to make that happen.

[Hockey101]

It is the fact that she won't own up to messing up...she is trying to spin it and is looking stupid in the process...granted not much effort is required on her part to make that happen.

But you realize that the more you guys talk about her the more success she has? She is a 50/50 person. You either can't stand her or you like her. She has a lot of supporters, period. Who cares? The media is fixated as well as you guys. Anything outlandish that she says or does gets posted on here. Who cares. Let her be who she is, let her have fun with her fan base and her popularity success.

It's like creating discussions on Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan. Who cares.

[Beamer]

But you realize that the more you guys talk about her the more success she has? She is a 50/50 pe
It's like creating discussions on Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan. Who cares.

Because the entire American population agrees that allowing Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan to be president is a bad idea, yet somehow something like 10% feels allowing Sarah Palin to be president is a good one.

It's mind-boggling. I mean, sure, Mickey Mouse and Underdog get write-in votes every year, but the people doing that are in on the joke!



President Sponge-Bob would likely be more qualified than President Palin.

This post has been edited by Beamer: Jun 6 2011, 07:19 AM

[Eric]

I bet you Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan could tell you the story of Paul Revere.

[Ebase]

But you realize that the more you guys talk about her the more success she has? She is a 50/50 person. You either can't stand her or you like her. She has a lot of supporters, period. Who cares? The media is fixated as well as you guys. Anything outlandish that she says or does gets posted on here. Who cares. Let her be who she is, let her have fun with her fan base and her popularity success.

It's like creating discussions on Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan. Who cares.

I think it isn't her but it is what she represents. For one, her ignorance is astounding to many people (on both sides of the equation.) She seems to spew out the most mind boggling stupid shit. And, it serves as fodder. Secondly, those very same people are terrified by the cult of Palin out there that vehemently defend her at every turn. And that makes people nervous. To think that there is a contingent of people out there who value folksy, moose-shooting, 2nd Amendment, Tea-bag types over intellect is astounding. These are the people assembled by the ultra-right and got intensely behind Bush. These are people driving around with stickers of W. that ask, "do you miss me yet?"

And that is why Palin is covered with such scrutiny. They want to see what is going to happen next. If Hitler was speaking, I would want to know what he said to prepare for what is next. And that is why I listen to what Paliin and (Bachmann for that matter) state. As a Jew, I am terrified of Palin.

[toph]

To think that there is a contingent of people out there who value folksy, moose-shooting, 2nd Amendment, Tea-bag types over intellect is astounding.

It's really not astounding in the least.

[Nilan 666]

I bet you Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan could tell you the story of Paul Revere.

Maybe the Beastie Boys version.

[leedsy99]

It's like creating discussions on Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan. Who cares.

Um, didn't you vote for her to be the Vice President of the United States a few years ago? So, to answer your question, I care. As long as people will support such a vile and reprehensible person for any position of influence in this country, I will continue to care.

[Hockey101]

I bet you Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan could tell you the story of Paul Revere.

They'd probably ask who Paul Revere is.

[Hockey101]

Um, didn't you vote for her to be the Vice President of the United States a few years ago? So, to answer your question, I care. As long as people will support such a vile and reprehensible person for any position of influence in this country, I will continue to care.

But that was then....

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

They'd probably ask who Paul Revere is.

I'm willing to bet they both know Russia isn't "in our backyard"

[Hockey101]

So Rick Santorum makes it official. He will too nominate for the presidency. I think he will get some interest, but his record is iffy as well. I liked what Lenny Davis said the other night. The nightmare for the Dems would be a Romney-Pawlenty ticket. I think Satorum would be fine as a VP ticket too, though.

[Ebase]

But that was then....

You just don't put shit back in the horse

[Kusand]

If Rick Santorum is on any ticket, I will lead the local get out the vote actually advertise my politics on Facebook. Which is pretty big for me.

[Eric]

They'd probably ask who Paul Revere is.

Anyone who went to elementary school knows who Paul Revere is and what he did. Or should at least. The fact that you are defending her about it is silly. Regardless of political views, if you say something stupid you should be called out on it. That's the bottom line.

[Hockey101]

I'm willing to bet they both know Russia isn't "in our backyard"

Probably. They'd think it's next to Italy and that Moscow is the term for mad cow disease.

[Hockey101]

Anyone who went to elementary school knows who Paul Revere is and what he did. Or should at least. The fact that you are defending her about it is silly. Regardless of political views, if you say something stupid you should be called out on it. That's the bottom line.

True. I'm glad Obama loves our 57 states.

[Kusand]

True. I'm glad Obama loves our 57 states.

Oh, you mean the thing where he messed up his words and admitted it?

[Hockey101]

If Rick Santorum is on any ticket, I will lead the local get out the vote actually advertise my politics on Facebook. Which is pretty big for me.

Interesting. Just wonder, why?