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> Would you ever consider trading Hank?
jkman61494
post May 18 2011, 02:32 PM
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OK, so we've talked about nearly every option the Philadelphia Flyers could explore regarding their goalie future. Most involve trading for a young goalie or signing one of the big free agents -- most notably Ilya Bryzgalov. However, is it possible they will trade for a top veteran goaltender?

The Courier Post's Chuck Gormley writes, "There are whispers that they may make a pitch for Buffalo's Ryan Miller, the Rangers' Henrik Lundqvist, Calgary's Miikka Kiprusoff, Minnesota's Niklas Backstrom or, yes, New Jersey's Martin Brodeur."

This is the first we're hearing of this and it sounds like pure speculation -- especially since the Flyers have strong options in Bryzgalov and Tomas Vokoun in free agency. In addition, trading for a high-priced veteran goalie makes little sense because the deal with not only cost the Flyers valuable assets, but it could also force them to cut payroll to get under the cap with their new goalie.


If some team such as Philly would give up the farm to acquire Hank would you ever consider it? As crazy as it may sound, my answer would be yes. While it's always awesome to have a franchise goalie,and I certainly don't yearn for the days of Mike Dunham, there are teams that have succeeded without elite goalies.

With that said, I'd only EVER consider it if we got something along the lines of Mike Richards, JVR and one of their three goalies in return.


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post May 19 2011, 11:30 AM
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I think we should trade Lundqvist for Kane and Sharp.

Ok........sorry, i was playing fantasy hockey there.

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Such a trade would NEVER....EVER... happen, so why even debate about it in the first place. Let's debate about Christopher Walken becoming the next US president at this point.

You build a team from the back end and up. People whine about Lundqvist's inconsistencies. Yet at the end of each season the conclusion is that if it weren't for his stellar play the Rangers would not be in the playoffs. The Flyers had a great season this year, i understand that, but a total bust in the playoffs with such a "superb" offense. I think having such an offense would make you a great regular season team, but mediocre playoff team.

Besides, once you trade a top NHL goaltender by getting good offensive players, then guess what? You're in the market for a very good goaltender. How easy is it to get one? Not easy. I forgot which GM said this some years ago, but the quote was somewhere along the lines of "Lamoriello can go to sleep every night knowing he has Brodeur in net".

Unless you draft a very good goaltender, you will find yourself in the market for a goalie too frequently. You may trade for a goalie that gets you two..three good years. Then after that you have to trade for another goalie, or hope to sign one, maybe having to overpay that goalie, which means trading away good players to make room.

This is nonsense. When you get your franchise goalie, you keep him, period. Goalies are not plenty in the NHL. There are 60 goalies in the NHL. In theory, 30 of them are starters, the other 30 are backups. You eliminate the non-tradable goalies. You eliminate the goalies that are not worth trading for. How many do you really have left?

You never want to be in Philadelphia's situation where you have a strong team, but the uncertainty in goaltending to succeed will drive you nuts for years.

Lundqvist is not to be traded, period.

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QUOTE(Hockey101 @ May 19 2011, 12:30 PM) *
I think we should trade Lundqvist for Kane and Sharp.

Ok........sorry, i was playing fantasy hockey there.

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Such a trade would NEVER....EVER... happen, so why even debate about it in the first place. Let's debate about Christopher Walken becoming the next US president at this point.

You build a team from the back end and up. People whine about Lundqvist's inconsistencies. Yet at the end of each season the conclusion is that if it weren't for his stellar play the Rangers would not be in the playoffs. The Flyers had a great season this year, i understand that, but a total bust in the playoffs with such a "superb" offense. I think having such an offense would make you a great regular season team, but mediocre playoff team.

Besides, once you trade a top NHL goaltender by getting good offensive players, then guess what? You're in the market for a very good goaltender. How easy is it to get one? Not easy. I forgot which GM said this some years ago, but the quote was somewhere along the lines of "Lamoriello can go to sleep every night knowing he has Brodeur in net".

Unless you draft a very good goaltender, you will find yourself in the market for a goalie too frequently. You may trade for a goalie that gets you two..three good years. Then after that you have to trade for another goalie, or hope to sign one, maybe having to overpay that goalie, which means trading away good players to make room.

This is nonsense. When you get your franchise goalie, you keep him, period. Goalies are not plenty in the NHL. There are 60 goalies in the NHL. In theory, 30 of them are starters, the other 30 are backups. You eliminate the non-tradable goalies. You eliminate the goalies that are not worth trading for. How many do you really have left?

You never want to be in Philadelphia's situation where you have a strong team, but the uncertainty in goaltending to succeed will drive you nuts for years.

Lundqvist is not to be traded, period.


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jkman61494   Would you ever consider trading Hank?   May 18 2011, 02:32 PM
Kusand   Woof. Um. The conversation absolutely would have t...   May 18 2011, 02:34 PM
SorryaboutthatWhoa   I'm fucking not fucking trading fucking Henrik...   May 18 2011, 02:37 PM
jburns   I'm fucking not fucking trading fucking Henrik...   May 18 2011, 02:40 PM
Kusand   Even for Giroux and JVR? That is mighty, mighty d...   May 18 2011, 02:40 PM
jburns   The Flyers are deep enough that they can lose thos...   May 18 2011, 02:42 PM
Rocha   The Flyers are deep enough that they can lose thos...   May 18 2011, 02:47 PM
Kusand   I'm fucking not fucking trading fucking Henrik...   May 18 2011, 02:40 PM
HDH   (Braces for impending HDH "I can take this to...   May 18 2011, 04:22 PM
xcdudesquadloves91!!!   Giroux, JVR, Bobvrosky, First round pick and mayb...   May 18 2011, 02:36 PM
Paul Smachetti   Giroux, JVR, Bobvrosky, First round pick and mayb...   May 18 2011, 04:45 PM
Nilan 666   Please let them get Brodeur. This way I can hate ...   May 18 2011, 02:43 PM
Rocha   HA! I posted a long Lundqvist-to-the-Flyers tr...   May 18 2011, 02:44 PM
jburns   So let's say, Carter, Richards, Versteeg for H...   May 18 2011, 02:46 PM
Rocha   I think JVR would have to be in there for me to pu...   May 18 2011, 02:53 PM
Kusand   HA! I posted a long Lundqvist-to-the-Flyers tr...   May 18 2011, 02:46 PM
Rocha   No way. Carter's good, but I want their leadin...   May 18 2011, 02:53 PM
Greatone   Carter's definitely the better goal scorer, th...   May 18 2011, 02:55 PM
Greatone   HA! I posted a long Lundqvist-to-the-Flyers tr...   May 18 2011, 02:50 PM
Andy from the LES   So let's say, Carter, Richards, Versteeg for H...   May 18 2011, 07:47 PM
jkman61494   If we signed a guy like Vokoun though? Meh I agre...   May 18 2011, 02:48 PM
Hockey101   No thanks. Not to Philly.   May 18 2011, 02:49 PM
Kusand   Giroux, Carter, JVR, a 1st and a 2nd. I think you ...   May 18 2011, 02:50 PM
Greatone   Giroux, Carter, JVR, a 1st and a 2nd. I think you ...   May 18 2011, 02:53 PM
xcdudesquadloves91!!!   Giroux, Carter, JVR, a 1st and a 2nd. I think you ...   May 18 2011, 02:54 PM
Bleedin-Blue   Even with the sweet pieces coming back, I don...   May 18 2011, 02:55 PM
jburns   OMG, I'm salivating. See ya, Hank! Don...   May 18 2011, 02:57 PM
Nilan 666   Imagine the fun when Laviolette still plays goalie...   May 18 2011, 02:59 PM
Greatone   I love how we are all running with this like its a...   May 18 2011, 03:01 PM
Kusand   I love how we are all running with this like its a...   May 18 2011, 03:04 PM
xcdudesquadloves91!!!   I love how we are all running with this like its a...   May 18 2011, 03:06 PM
Greatone   Right winger. Richards, Giroux, JVR, Leino and a ...   May 18 2011, 03:09 PM
xcdudesquadloves91!!!   LEINO IS A FUCKING FREE AGENT PEOPLE. And no way...   May 18 2011, 03:25 PM
Kusand   Fine switch Bobvrosky for Leino and sign Prospal f...   May 18 2011, 03:27 PM
xcdudesquadloves91!!!   This crosses the border of "casual thoughts f...   May 18 2011, 03:28 PM
Kusand   Fine then move the 1st form the Flyers to the Rang...   May 18 2011, 03:32 PM
The Fast Choker   With regard to Richards, there was a blurb in the ...   May 18 2011, 03:02 PM
Bleedin-Blue   You guys do realize though that the instant Lundqv...   May 18 2011, 03:04 PM
Andy from the LES   You guys do realize though that the instant Lundqv...   May 18 2011, 07:51 PM
xcheck24   You realize by trading Lundqvist to the Flyers for...   May 18 2011, 03:05 PM
jburns   I know people around here don't think Lundqvis...   May 18 2011, 03:11 PM
Cipher(KTO)   But we had Mike Dunham! and Jaime McLennan...   May 18 2011, 04:12 PM
xcheck24   But we had Mike Dunham! Yeah...and it wasn...   May 18 2011, 06:20 PM
Rocha   And Pete, I get what you're saying, but I...   May 18 2011, 09:01 PM
xcheck24   teams like Pittsburgh, Philly, Boston and Tampa Ba...   May 18 2011, 09:15 PM
Rocha   You realize by trading Lundqvist to the Flyers for...   May 18 2011, 03:24 PM
SpanishJack   I know people around here don't think Lundqvis...   May 18 2011, 04:41 PM
jkman61494   You realize by trading Lundqvist to the Flyers for...   May 18 2011, 05:34 PM
Charlie   No. Unless we got the farm (Giroux, Carter, JVR) ...   May 18 2011, 03:15 PM
Tex   instead of the picks. This every day and twice on ...   May 18 2011, 03:22 PM
Rocha   I still think you guys are asking for too much wit...   May 18 2011, 03:40 PM
Kusand   I still think you guys are asking for too much wit...   May 18 2011, 03:44 PM
gkrangers   I'm not trying to be realistic, I'm just t...   May 18 2011, 03:49 PM
Kusand   Many of these deals would be nice. It's not l...   May 18 2011, 03:52 PM
Rocha   Right, but I think Lundqvist for Carter+JVR just i...   May 18 2011, 04:00 PM
Kusand   Yep, which is why my scenario adds one more. Hartn...   May 18 2011, 04:01 PM
jasonjep   What kind of a MUG would even consider something l...   May 18 2011, 04:08 PM
toph   Do you all actually think the Flyers would trade G...   May 18 2011, 04:36 PM
HDH   Do you all actually think the Flyers would trade G...   May 18 2011, 04:47 PM
Dunc   Do you all actually think the Flyers would trade G...   May 18 2011, 05:24 PM
Eric   I wouldn't accept any trade involving Lundqvis...   May 18 2011, 04:52 PM
Tex   I wouldn't accept any trade involving Lundqvis...   May 18 2011, 05:01 PM
Paul Smachetti   Trashcanikov? :beavis:   May 18 2011, 05:31 PM
Eric   Trashcanikov? Trashcanahan is way better, right Ta...   May 18 2011, 05:36 PM
Tex   Trashcanrahan is way better, right Taki? He hasn...   May 18 2011, 06:35 PM
Eric   Bobrovsky is good and I bet he can be made better ...   May 18 2011, 05:08 PM
CsideEr   The reason the levels of success reached by the ba...   May 18 2011, 05:43 PM
VerdDogg   Nevermind the Rangers, Has there been a goalie mor...   May 18 2011, 06:12 PM
toph   Nevermind the Rangers, Has there been a goalie mor...   May 18 2011, 06:21 PM
VerdDogg   Yeah, quite a few of them, actually. Actually no,...   May 18 2011, 06:57 PM
Nilan 666   Why are you using Lundqvist and consistent in the ...   May 18 2011, 06:15 PM
Eric   I've decided that no, I wouldn't.   May 18 2011, 06:48 PM
jkman61494   The one reason I posted this is I have a funny fee...   May 18 2011, 07:30 PM
Nilan 666   Let's make this more controversial, Henke and ...   May 18 2011, 07:58 PM
Greatone   Let's make this more controversial, Henke and ...   May 18 2011, 08:04 PM
CsideEr   Philly doesnt have the cap space. cap space? now ...   May 18 2011, 08:17 PM
Andy from the LES   RE: Would you ever consider trading Hank?   May 18 2011, 08:03 PM
LisaLisa   That's friggin' awesome. :clapping: :cl...   May 18 2011, 08:10 PM
Nilan 666   Personally the only goalie that makes sense for Ph...   May 18 2011, 08:08 PM
leetchie69   I dunno...would Sather really trade Henrik to Phil...   May 18 2011, 08:27 PM
jkman61494   I dunno...would Sather really trade Henrik to Phil...   May 18 2011, 11:43 PM
xcheck24   Who said anything about the exact same roster? I s...   May 18 2011, 09:12 PM
Rocha   Who said anything about the exact same roster? I s...   May 18 2011, 09:52 PM
Knight of Dight   If we were to trade Hank for a bunch of really goo...   May 19 2011, 01:05 AM
Rocha   If we were to trade Hank for a bunch of really goo...   May 19 2011, 03:02 AM
SorryaboutthatWhoa   I think goaltending is being massively underrated ...   May 19 2011, 07:15 AM
The Fast Choker   I think goaltending is being massively underrated ...   May 19 2011, 08:42 AM
SorryaboutthatWhoa   That's not necessarily a bad argument though. ...   May 19 2011, 09:04 AM
The Fast Choker   So we're trading Henke, in a year when the Gar...   May 19 2011, 10:15 AM
SpanishJack   I think goaltending is being massively underrated ...   May 19 2011, 09:30 AM
Hockey101   I think we should trade Lundqvist for Kane and Sha...   May 19 2011, 11:30 AM
jburns   I think we should trade Lundqvist for Kane and Sha...   May 19 2011, 11:57 AM
Hockey101   Killjoy. ...... Ok fine. Lundqvist for Stamkos.   May 19 2011, 12:14 PM
HDH   ...... Ok fine. Lundqvist for Stamkos. Was i...   May 19 2011, 12:18 PM
Beamer   Has anyone mentioned the theory, I think it was Ke...   May 19 2011, 12:22 PM
HDH   Nevermind: Imagine they took MDZ, Grachev, ...   May 19 2011, 12:22 PM
Charlie   Nevermind: Imagine they took MDZ, Grachev, and Gir...   May 19 2011, 12:32 PM
xcheck24   Nevermind: Imagine they took MDZ, Grachev, and Gir...   May 19 2011, 12:33 PM
SpanishJack   Nevermind: Imagine they took MDZ, Grachev, and Gir...   May 19 2011, 12:40 PM
Beamer   Actually, here's an interesting analysis: http...   May 19 2011, 12:27 PM
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