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[LisaLisa]

Martin Brodeur = Jaime Lannister. But much, much less charming. And just as worthy of being neutered.

Just wait until next season

Without giving anything away, I will say that he undergoes the most character development of almost any character in the series. Assuming they stay true to the books, of course.

The character of Jaime Lannister does fascinate me. Besides Arya's story, he's the main reason I've begun to read the books. I really want to know what's going on in Jaime's head because he gives so little away. Well, not without someone else paying a price. I expect to finish Book 1 this week. But I'll wait until this season ends before reading Book 2.

[Beamer]

Man, killer episode.

The Reeds weren't needed. By and large the consolidation has been very well done.

[jkman61494]

Finally saw Episode 6.

Good episode but jeez, is it a per-requisite every female over 18 gets naked? Even Osha (Natalia Tena; the woman who played Tonks in Harry Potter) is getting in on the act? Sheesh.

[Knight of Dight]

Finally saw Episode 6.

Good episode but jeez, is it a per-requisite every female over 18 gets naked? Even Osha (Natalia Tena; the woman who played Tonks in Harry Potter) is getting in on the act? Sheesh.

At least Cersei hasn't gotten naked yet (to my knowledge). There was the scene at the beginning of the series with her and Jaimie, but I don't remember them showing tits or anything with that.

[leetchie69]

Finally saw Episode 6.

Good episode but jeez, is it a per-requisite every female over 18 gets naked? Even Osha (Natalia Tena; the woman who played Tonks in Harry Potter) is getting in on the act? Sheesh.

What a great scene it was!

[jkman61494]

Finally saw Episode 6.

Good episode but jeez, is it a per-requisite every female over 18 gets naked? Even Osha (Natalia Tena; the woman who played Tonks in Harry Potter) is getting in on the act? Sheesh.

At least Cersei hasn't gotten naked yet (to my knowledge). There was the scene at the beginning of the series with her and Jaimie, but I don't remember them showing tits or anything with that.

Which is kind of surprising considering she was the actress that had the "lewd" sex scene in 300. Never knew why that was discussed so much back then, but I digress.

The actor who plays theon though must REALLY like his role.

[leetchie69]

Finally saw Episode 6.

Good episode but jeez, is it a per-requisite every female over 18 gets naked? Even Osha (Natalia Tena; the woman who played Tonks in Harry Potter) is getting in on the act? Sheesh.

At least Cersei hasn't gotten naked yet (to my knowledge). There was the scene at the beginning of the series with her and Jaimie, but I don't remember them showing tits or anything with that.

Not yet.

I think she would be open to it if the scene made sense, she did it in 300.

But I think her time for that has passed for a scene like that now.

[leetchie69]

Finally saw Episode 6.

Good episode but jeez, is it a per-requisite every female over 18 gets naked? Even Osha (Natalia Tena; the woman who played Tonks in Harry Potter) is getting in on the act? Sheesh.

At least Cersei hasn't gotten naked yet (to my knowledge). There was the scene at the beginning of the series with her and Jaimie, but I don't remember them showing tits or anything with that.

Which is kind of surprising considering she was the actress that had the "lewd" sex scene in 300. Never knew why that was discussed so much back then, but I digress.

The actor who plays theon though must REALLY like his role.

Wouldn't be able to get in reality what he gets in fantasy!

[LisaLisa]

Finally saw Episode 6.

Good episode but jeez, is it a per-requisite every female over 18 gets naked? Even Osha (Natalia Tena; the woman who played Tonks in Harry Potter) is getting in on the act? Sheesh.

At least Cersei hasn't gotten naked yet (to my knowledge). There was the scene at the beginning of the series with her and Jaimie, but I don't remember them showing tits or anything with that.

Which is kind of surprising considering she was the actress that had the "lewd" sex scene in 300. Never knew why that was discussed so much back then, but I digress.

The actor who plays theon though must REALLY like his role.

Wouldn't be able to get in reality what he gets in fantasy!

I learned last week that Alfie Allen is Lily Allen's brother. Knowing that, what he gets in real life probably is better. Remember that ship's girl he had on the show?

[Beamer]

Finally saw Episode 6.

Good episode but jeez, is it a per-requisite every female over 18 gets naked? Even Osha (Natalia Tena; the woman who played Tonks in Harry Potter) is getting in on the act? Sheesh.

At least Cersei hasn't gotten naked yet (to my knowledge). There was the scene at the beginning of the series with her and Jaimie, but I don't remember them showing tits or anything with that.

Which is kind of surprising considering she was the actress that had the "lewd" sex scene in 300. Never knew why that was discussed so much back then, but I digress.

The actor who plays theon though must REALLY like his role.

Wouldn't be able to get in reality what he gets in fantasy!

I learned last week that Alfie Allen is Lily Allen's brother. Knowing that, what he gets in real life probably is better. Remember that ship's girl he had on the show?

I'm just reposting this because I can't watch Theon scenes without thinking of how well this stupid puppet gets that stupid smirk

[Knight of Dight]

That whole subplot with the Rob's nurse girlfriend is officially old now. Of all the stories this week, that one got the biggest chunk of time and I don't even know why considering none of that happened in the book. That character didn't even exist in the book, so why the fuck are omitting stuff that is actually exciting so they can shoehorn a boring romance in? C'mon writers, don't do that shit. Don't turn this show into True Blood.

Also, next week is going to be awesome.

This post has been edited by Knight of Dight: May 20 2012, 10:02 PM

[LisaLisa]

Finally saw Episode 6.

Good episode but jeez, is it a per-requisite every female over 18 gets naked? Even Osha (Natalia Tena; the woman who played Tonks in Harry Potter) is getting in on the act? Sheesh.

At least Cersei hasn't gotten naked yet (to my knowledge). There was the scene at the beginning of the series with her and Jaimie, but I don't remember them showing tits or anything with that.

Which is kind of surprising considering she was the actress that had the "lewd" sex scene in 300. Never knew why that was discussed so much back then, but I digress.

The actor who plays theon though must REALLY like his role.

Wouldn't be able to get in reality what he gets in fantasy!

I learned last week that Alfie Allen is Lily Allen's brother. Knowing that, what he gets in real life probably is better. Remember that ship's girl he had on the show?

I'm just reposting this because I can't watch Theon scenes without thinking of how well this stupid puppet gets that stupid smirk

Hilarious. Now that I've seen this video, I see that the character of Theon fits him so perfectly.

[LisaLisa]

That whole subplot with the Rob's nurse girlfriend is officially old now. Of all the stories this week, that one got the biggest chunk of time and I don't even know why considering none of that happened in the book. That character didn't even exist in the book, so why the fuck are omitting stuff that is actually exciting so they can shoehorn a boring romance in? C'mon writers, don't do that shit. Don't turn this show into True Blood.

Also, next week is going to be awesome.

Biggest chunk of time? Did you not see everything else that was shown? Tonight's show was awesome. They touched on everything and this is what you remember? I think you need to watch it again.

[jkman61494]

I understand KOD's frustration though. A LOT Of stuff this season going on and they're creating some made up romance. It can be understood why you're not seeing it play exactly to the book but they could have incorporated the book character better.

This just seems really far fetched. A dashing young King falling for a field nurse?

[Knight of Dight]

That whole subplot with the Rob's nurse girlfriend is officially old now. Of all the stories this week, that one got the biggest chunk of time and I don't even know why considering none of that happened in the book. That character didn't even exist in the book, so why the fuck are omitting stuff that is actually exciting so they can shoehorn a boring romance in? C'mon writers, don't do that shit. Don't turn this show into True Blood.

Also, next week is going to be awesome.

Biggest chunk of time? Did you not see everything else that was shown? Tonight's show was awesome. They touched on everything and this is what you remember? I think you need to watch it again.

No, I am pretty sure that long boring story about her brother got the longest chunk of time of any of the subplots tonight.

There was quite a bit that happened aside from that, and I am not saying the show sucked tonight because every episode of this show is enjoyable... Just... it annoyed me to see so much time spent on a scenario that didn't even exist in the books.

[Beamer]

That whole subplot with the Rob's nurse girlfriend is officially old now. Of all the stories this week, that one got the biggest chunk of time and I don't even know why considering none of that happened in the book. That character didn't even exist in the book, so why the fuck are omitting stuff that is actually exciting so they can shoehorn a boring romance in? C'mon writers, don't do that shit. Don't turn this show into True Blood.

Also, next week is going to be awesome.

Biggest chunk of time? Did you not see everything else that was shown? Tonight's show was awesome. They touched on everything and this is what you remember? I think you need to watch it again.

No, I am pretty sure that long boring story about her brother got the longest chunk of time of any of the subplots tonight.

There was quite a bit that happened aside from that, and I am not saying the show sucked tonight because every episode of this show is enjoyable... Just... it annoyed me to see so much time spent on a scenario that didn't even exist in the books.

Well, go read the books, then. Would you be happiest if the show was just GRRM reading out loud while people pantomimed to it in the background?
The best TV adaptations are always the ones that take ownership of the material, especially since the mediums are so different. It's easy to have Rob, not a POV character, just show up and shock everyone in the book, because we get to read their brains and hear their thoughts about it. In the show? We actually have to see why the girl is worth risking a kingdom for, which that story does a decent job of explaining.

Hell, the best scenes this season have been Arya and Tywin - great scenes for both characters, even though the two never meet in the books.

[Sed]

Well, go read the books, then. Would you be happiest if the show was just GRRM reading out loud while people pantomimed to it in the background?

Ren Faire: The Series!

[jkman61494]

Again, a reason like KOD and a fair number of people who read the books are upset is because HBO set them up for disappointment. Last season, HBO did a tremendous job adhering to the books. No made up characters. No major deviations from the book etc.

You can't blame them for having an expectation to see that again this season. And you can't blame them for being upset to see HBO go against what they did a year ago and now write in new characters.

Personally? I love a lot of the subtle changes they have made. For example, Margaery is/was a much more badass character in the series than the books.

But in terms of this specific storyline with Rob it just seems stupid. The character has been seen to be smart, shrewd, loyal and respected. And he's going to possibly throw it all away for a field nurse?

[Beamer]

But in terms of this specific storyline with Rob it just seems stupid. The character has been seen to be smart, shrewd, loyal and respected. And he's going to possibly throw it all away for a field nurse?

She's not a field nurse, she's a lady who would rather spend time as a field nurse than sitting in court listening to bards. Which, honestly, is how Robb is set up - of course he falls for that over a typical lady.

And they're putting these scenes there so viewers don't say exactly what you say when Robb randomly shows up and goes "hey, I know it could destroy the kingdom, but I knocked up and married this chick none of you have ever heard of."

[leetchie69]

It is important that this storyline is in there...

Remember he was promised to another for that bridge.

So this is all leading up to a pivotal awesome sequence...

The Red Wedding....

[leetchie69]

By the way that field nurse had a smokin body....

I am thinking it was a body double though..

[LisaLisa]

But in terms of this specific storyline with Rob it just seems stupid. The character has been seen to be smart, shrewd, loyal and respected. And he's going to possibly throw it all away for a field nurse?

She's not a field nurse, she's a lady who would rather spend time as a field nurse than sitting in court listening to bards. Which, honestly, is how Robb is set up - of course he falls for that over a typical lady.

And they're putting these scenes there so viewers don't say exactly what you say when Robb randomly shows up and goes "hey, I know it could destroy the kingdom, but I knocked up and married this chick none of you have ever heard of."

Yes! Lady Talisa. How is that missed when she's been called that for the last two episodes? It gets really frustrating to come here and try to discuss the last episode when all you get are complaints about how they're not following the books. *sigh* Well, I accept the show as it is, so I thought it was a good, solid setup episode for the final two to come. The next episode is "Blackwater", all about the battle. Which leaves the last episode, "Valar Morghulis"...about everything else. Damn, that's a lot to put into one hour. These seasons need to be longer.

The one standout scene I loved--between Arya and Jaqen.

Best parts (imho):

1. "A Man has patrol duty." Lay off girl, I got sh#t to do.

2. Epic chicken kick (no chickens were harmed in the making of this film).

3. The look on his face when she names him. Some great acting in this small scene. I would watch a show of just Arya and Tywin or Arya and Jaqen.

4. "A Girl lacks honor." *Shrugs* Like a BOSS. Deal with it, bitch. A Girl wants what A Girl wants.

5. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PIES!1!!

What I got out of these scenes is that Arya has become less like a Stark and more like a Lannister. But in this context, her time with Tywin was well spent (yeah, I know, it's different in the books). She was cupbearer to the Lannister of Lannisters. She listened, she watched, she learned. She learned about honor from her father. But she learned something about playing the game from Tywin. A Girl can survive this world.

[Beamer]

Like I've said, the best scenes have been Arya's, most of which weren't in the book.


Anyway, there are only 3 things changed from the book that I do not like:

1) I still think they turned Asha from an intelligent, stoic person to a goon
2) We missed the Cat forcing Jamie to make a vow, and his loathing. This bugs me mostly because the guy playing Jamie really, really nails it
3) Arya's kill count is a bit low

Nothing else bugs me. I actually really like that the show is becoming its own thing rather than a stupid retelling of the original source material (I use "stupid" for a reason, as it can retell the source material without using any thought of its own.)
Heck, even the recast Mountain has been put into armor that makes him look almost as big as the prior Mountain.

[VerdDogg]

wow, simply epic.

[LisaLisa]

‎"Blackwater" was AMAZING. That was one of the best hour's of television I've ever seen. Thank you, G.R.R.M. Thank you!

Seven hells, I'm emotionally spent.

[Knight of Dight]

Indeed. As with the previous season, the episode leading up to the finale seems to be the climax of the season.

You knew it would be awesome when GRRM wrote the episode

[LisaLisa]

[LisaLisa]

BOOM.

[Beamer]

Lots of people seemed disappointed with this episode.
I thought it was terrific. Pretty much went as I expected,

of course Tyrion keeps his nose

, with some great new scenes added.

Only thing I'd say wasn't done particularly well was The Hound. This is the first time he's truly sympathetic, but I feel like they kind of glossed over why he freaked out so much and even kept his scene with Sansa less sad and more stoic.


Overall great episode, great season, great series.

[LisaLisa]

Lots of people seemed disappointed with this episode.
I thought it was terrific. Pretty much went as I expected,

of course Tyrion keeps his nose

, with some great new scenes added.

Only thing I'd say wasn't done particularly well was The Hound. This is the first time he's truly sympathetic, but I feel like they kind of glossed over why he freaked out so much and even kept his scene with Sansa less sad and more stoic.


Overall great episode, great season, great series.

Who have you been talking to? From what I've read and been told by other fans, they loved it. It was a huge success. I've seen some criticism but it strikes me as nitpicky.

As for the Hound, it's was explained last season how he was maimed by fire, so his freakout wasn't out of the blue. I haven't read that far into the books and I got it.

[Knight of Dight]

Lots of people seemed disappointed with this episode.
I thought it was terrific. Pretty much went as I expected,

of course Tyrion keeps his nose

, with some great new scenes added.

Only thing I'd say wasn't done particularly well was The Hound. This is the first time he's truly sympathetic, but I feel like they kind of glossed over why he freaked out so much and even kept his scene with Sansa less sad and more stoic.


Overall great episode, great season, great series.

I agree-- he seems out of character because in the show they haven't really delved into the complicated relationship he has with Sansa.

As far as his freak-out, I think it would have added quite a lot if they had showed like a fifteen-second flashback of Gregor scalding him as children. I know they explained it in passing in the first season, but chances are a lot of viewers have forgotten that.

[Beamer]

Lots of people seemed disappointed with this episode.
I thought it was terrific. Pretty much went as I expected,

of course Tyrion keeps his nose

, with some great new scenes added.

Only thing I'd say wasn't done particularly well was The Hound. This is the first time he's truly sympathetic, but I feel like they kind of glossed over why he freaked out so much and even kept his scene with Sansa less sad and more stoic.


Overall great episode, great season, great series.

Who have you been talking to? From what I've read and been told by other fans, they loved it. It was a huge success. I've seen some criticism but it strikes me as nitpicky.

As for the Hound, it's was explained last season how he was maimed by fire, so his freakout wasn't out of the blue. I haven't read that far into the books and I got it.

Just around the internet it seems plenty seem disappointed.

The Hound's freakout wasn't out of the blue, and they showed a lot of fire, but I don't think it was extremely clear that it wasn't cowardice.

[LisaLisa]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?

[Knight of Dight]

I am however, VERY happy to read that they are only adapting HALF of Storm of Swords into Season 3. It's over a thousand pages long, if they tried to adapt the whole book into one season they'd have to leave out so much stuff that the story would seem incredibly fragmented.

[Beamer]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?

No, you're missing the point. I'm not seeing bitching that "oh, it's not like the book!," it isn't KoD I'm listening to (and geez, go like, 5 posts up and see me say how sick I am of people claiming it isn't like the book - if you're going to misread my argument at least do it in a way consistent with my previous posting on this very page), I'm hearing bitching that "I haven't read the books so I don't get why The Hound became such a coward!" Sorry, if a chunk of your audience, those without the advantage of having read the source material, is missing a subtle character point then perhaps they were too subtle in it.

Not really a controversial opinion there.

[Beamer]

Case in point, the Huffington Post recap:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan...972.html?ref=tv

But there's another moment that I've thought about quite a bit since Sunday night: The Hound walking away from the battle. I have a little bit of a quibble here: I wish we got to know Sandor "The Hound" Clegane better before he abandoned his king. For a man like him to say, "F*ck the king" is a big deal, and though I know he's not the chattiest of characters, I wish there had been more than that slo-mo moment in battle when it came to depicting his change of heart.

Of course, his desire to walk away from Joffrey isn't exactly hard to understand (and that was before Joffrey himself ran away from the battle). He's seen what a horrible tyrant the kid is, and ultimately, if he simply picked Sansa over Joffrey, I can accept that. But I would have loved to see that drink that the Hound and Bronn shared just before battle; I would have loved to see more that gave us an insight into why the Hound's loyalties to the powerful (but high-handed) Lannisters ended in that particular moment. But it's clear that, like the soldiers of King's Landing, he was ultimately fighting for himself, and just didn't see the point of risking his life on that beach if he didn't have to.

This woman is paid to review this show, claims to love it, and has claimed to have given this point a whole lot of thought, yet she never once mentions "fire." This isn't a change from the book - the show very clearly tried to make the point that the fire is what set him off, but it failed at that. Viewers that haven't read the book are thinking he didn't want to die, and some are calling it cowardice, when readers of the book see it as clear that the show wanted to make the point that he didn't mind anything other than having a fairly understandable hatred of fire.

[Beamer]

What I did love, though, was the scene between The Hound and Bronn. Bronn is a monster and he relishes it. The Hound is a monster and he hates it, and hates other monsters. Seeing his anger get aimed at Bronn was pretty interesting, especially as it seems to have been a misread of Bronn - yeah, the guy loves being a monster, but he's much less of one than those he fights.

I also really liked being able to see the reactions to the horror of the explosion. Tyrion was horrified. Joffrey was enthralled. Stannis was a nice mix of horrified for his soldiers and horrified for his battle plans.

This post has been edited by Beamer: May 29 2012, 09:31 AM

[LisaLisa]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

[I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?]

No, you're missing the point. I'm not seeing bitching that "oh, it's not like the book!," it isn't KoD I'm listening to (and geez, go like, 5 posts up and see me say how sick I am of people claiming it isn't like the book - if you're going to misread my argument at least do it in a way consistent with my previous posting on this very page), I'm hearing bitching that "I haven't read the books so I don't get why The Hound became such a coward!" Sorry, if a chunk of your audience, those without the advantage of having read the source material, is missing a subtle character point then perhaps they were too subtle in it.

Not really a controversial opinion there.

Actually, I wasn't responding directly to you--it just happened to be your post. I was speaking generally about the fans of the book series.

Edit: I should specify that the "generally speaking" part not directed at you, is blocked.

This post has been edited by LisaLisa: May 29 2012, 10:03 AM

[Beamer]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

[I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?]

No, you're missing the point. I'm not seeing bitching that "oh, it's not like the book!," it isn't KoD I'm listening to (and geez, go like, 5 posts up and see me say how sick I am of people claiming it isn't like the book - if you're going to misread my argument at least do it in a way consistent with my previous posting on this very page), I'm hearing bitching that "I haven't read the books so I don't get why The Hound became such a coward!" Sorry, if a chunk of your audience, those without the advantage of having read the source material, is missing a subtle character point then perhaps they were too subtle in it.

Not really a controversial opinion there.

Actually, I wasn't responding directly to you--it just happened to be your post. I was speaking generally about the fans of the book series.

Edit: I should specify that the "generally speaking" part not directed at you, is blocked.

Gotcha.
No, I agree, even this thread has driven me nuts - what makes the show special is that it isn't verbatim and it does things differently. Sometimes because it's cheaper to do it that way, sometimes because it saves time, but often because it's either something TV allows that books don't, or something that just enhances the story.

As mentioned, the Bronn/Hound scene was great.
And, though people feel Sansa dropping the doll was too much symbolism of her losing her innocence, they're forgetting that it's the doll she yelled at her father for giving her. "I haven't played with dolls since I was 8." So I don't think it's her childhood she's necessarily leaving behind...

[Beamer]

Also annoying: "Why did Tyrion just get a scratch! Stupid HBO!"

Yes, because HBO wants to spend its money on special effects, and Peter Dinklage wants to spend 4 hours in front of a makeup artist before every day of shooting for the next however many years...

[jkman61494]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?

As I keep telling you Lisa, a lot of these type of fans were set up for disappointment with Season 1. They adhered to the book much more strictly last year. Fans ate it up. So can you blame them if they were going into it looking to have it be very accurate, got what they wanted in 2011, only to then see characters being omitted, characters being created etc.?

If they would have had this type of removal/additions in season 1, I can almost guarantee you the complaints you see now would be much more muted.

[Beamer]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?

As I keep telling you Lisa, a lot of these type of fans were set up for disappointment with Season 1. They adhered to the book much more strictly last year. Fans ate it up. So can you blame them if they were going into it looking to have it be very accurate, got what they wanted in 2011, only to then see characters being omitted, characters being created etc.?

If they would have had this type of removal/additions in season 1, I can almost guarantee you the complaints you see now would be much more muted.

I can blame them. You're stupid if all you want is a literal visual translation of the source material.


I choose my words delicately there.

[jkman61494]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?

As I keep telling you Lisa, a lot of these type of fans were set up for disappointment with Season 1. They adhered to the book much more strictly last year. Fans ate it up. So can you blame them if they were going into it looking to have it be very accurate, got what they wanted in 2011, only to then see characters being omitted, characters being created etc.?

If they would have had this type of removal/additions in season 1, I can almost guarantee you the complaints you see now would be much more muted.

I can blame them. You're stupid if all you want is a literal visual translation of the source material.


I choose my words delicately there.

I'm not one that needs a blow by blow detail, but the things that have irked me was the field nurse. The books gave a perfectly reasonable and I think more realistic storyline for Robb here than the show Now, having Osha take the place of some other characters in the Bran storyline? That is fine.

When you deal with books like this, you're always going to have a faction of passionate people that want to see the source material more strictly adhered to. And for 10 episodes in season 1, they by and large got their wish. Now not only did they have hopes, but an expectation that HBO was going to follow the books diligently. You can use "choice" words, but you'll always have these types of people.

Whether it's people wanting to see a comic book interpretation more "accurate", people complaining about the fact that Jeff Sharra missed key points in the Battle of Gettysburg in his book, or now Game of Thrones people wanting to see a more literal interpretation, you'll always have a loud vocal minority.

[Beamer]

Also, they've cast the Reeds for next season, so I guess Osha won't be the knower of all things. That's good, though, as Bran's arc is too sparse without them.

[Knight of Dight]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?

As I keep telling you Lisa, a lot of these type of fans were set up for disappointment with Season 1. They adhered to the book much more strictly last year. Fans ate it up. So can you blame them if they were going into it looking to have it be very accurate, got what they wanted in 2011, only to then see characters being omitted, characters being created etc.?

If they would have had this type of removal/additions in season 1, I can almost guarantee you the complaints you see now would be much more muted.

I can blame them. You're stupid if all you want is a literal visual translation of the source material.


I choose my words delicately there.

I'm not one that needs a blow by blow detail, but the things that have irked me was the field nurse. The books gave a perfectly reasonable and I think more realistic storyline for Robb here than the show Now, having Osha take the place of some other characters in the Bran storyline? That is fine.

When you deal with books like this, you're always going to have a faction of passionate people that want to see the source material more strictly adhered to. And for 10 episodes in season 1, they by and large got their wish. Now not only did they have hopes, but an expectation that HBO was going to follow the books diligently. You can use "choice" words, but you'll always have these types of people.

Whether it's people wanting to see a comic book interpretation more "accurate", people complaining about the fact that Jeff Sharra missed key points in the Battle of Gettysburg in his book, or now Game of Thrones people wanting to see a more literal interpretation, you'll always have a loud vocal minority.

Also, in the previews for next week Jaqen says for Arya to come with him-- I hope they don't do that because a huge part of Arya's story would change if there were to occur.

[LisaLisa]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?

As I keep telling you Lisa, a lot of these type of fans were set up for disappointment with Season 1. They adhered to the book much more strictly last year. Fans ate it up. So can you blame them if they were going into it looking to have it be very accurate, got what they wanted in 2011, only to then see characters being omitted, characters being created etc.?

If they would have had this type of removal/additions in season 1, I can almost guarantee you the complaints you see now would be much more muted.

I can blame them. You're stupid if all you want is a literal visual translation of the source material.


I choose my words delicately there.

I'm not one that needs a blow by blow detail, but the things that have irked me was the field nurse. The books gave a perfectly reasonable and I think more realistic storyline for Robb here than the show Now, having Osha take the place of some other characters in the Bran storyline? That is fine.

When you deal with books like this, you're always going to have a faction of passionate people that want to see the source material more strictly adhered to. And for 10 episodes in season 1, they by and large got their wish. Now not only did they have hopes, but an expectation that HBO was going to follow the books diligently. You can use "choice" words, but you'll always have these types of people.

Whether it's people wanting to see a comic book interpretation more "accurate", people complaining about the fact that Jeff Sharra missed key points in the Battle of Gettysburg in his book, or now Game of Thrones people wanting to see a more literal interpretation, you'll always have a loud vocal minority.

Also, in the previews for next week Jaqen says for Arya to come with him-- I hope they don't do that because a huge part of Arya's story would change if there were to occur.

That's not happening. The finale is titled "Valar Morghulis" so that tells you what will happen. Since I'm already "spoiled" about Arya/Jaqen in Book 2, (so I'm not revealing anything you guys don't already know), I came across an interview with the actor playing 'Jaqen H'ghar' and he said that he gets to "shape-shift". So there ya go.

[Beamer]

But why worry about the people who might not get it or may have forgotten? You got it. You understand. Isn't that what matters?

I've seen some bitching on the internet, but not alot. Maybe you're looking at different sites than I am I guess, but Jesus H. Christ, WTF do people want? There's just so much that can be shown. The standard I go by is Peter Jackson and LOTR. If, with the budget he had, he couldn't (and wouldn't--who the f#ck needed to see Tom Bombadil?) show every damn thing in those dense and detailed books (classics in my view, which I loved), why in the world do fans of the 'Ice and Fire' books expect different? I don't understand that. And I was thoroughly satisfied with the LOTR movies. I just started reading the book series. You know when I figured out the difference between the book version of GoT and the TV show? Book 1, page 1, paragraph 1, of the prologue. I got over it. I genuinely don't understand this need to see a detailed blow by blow of every page of each book by the so-called "book" fans. I really don't. And you know what makes it even more ridiculous to me? It's a fantasy series, an invention. It's not a biography or non-fiction where changing details challenges actual history. It's made up; which means it's as malleable as wet clay. So if it's fantasy, why not just go with it? Since someone else (in this case, 2 people) is telling the story, then why not just ride the wave and see where it goes?

As I keep telling you Lisa, a lot of these type of fans were set up for disappointment with Season 1. They adhered to the book much more strictly last year. Fans ate it up. So can you blame them if they were going into it looking to have it be very accurate, got what they wanted in 2011, only to then see characters being omitted, characters being created etc.?

If they would have had this type of removal/additions in season 1, I can almost guarantee you the complaints you see now would be much more muted.

I can blame them. You're stupid if all you want is a literal visual translation of the source material.


I choose my words delicately there.

I'm not one that needs a blow by blow detail, but the things that have irked me was the field nurse. The books gave a perfectly reasonable and I think more realistic storyline for Robb here than the show Now, having Osha take the place of some other characters in the Bran storyline? That is fine.

When you deal with books like this, you're always going to have a faction of passionate people that want to see the source material more strictly adhered to. And for 10 episodes in season 1, they by and large got their wish. Now not only did they have hopes, but an expectation that HBO was going to follow the books diligently. You can use "choice" words, but you'll always have these types of people.

Whether it's people wanting to see a comic book interpretation more "accurate", people complaining about the fact that Jeff Sharra missed key points in the Battle of Gettysburg in his book, or now Game of Thrones people wanting to see a more literal interpretation, you'll always have a loud vocal minority.

Also, in the previews for next week Jaqen says for Arya to come with him-- I hope they don't do that because a huge part of Arya's story would change if there were to occur.

That's not happening. The finale is titled "Valar Morghulis" so that tells you what will happen. Since I'm already "spoiled" about Arya/Jaqen in Book 2, (so I'm not revealing anything you guys don't already know), I came across an interview with the actor playing 'Jaqen H'ghar' and he said that he gets to "shape-shift". So there ya go.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if they

Have Sansa travel with the Hound and have Arya go with Jaqen, given how it was left off, but I don't expect it.

[LisaLisa]

Sansa was still in the castle in the season finale preview. But, as you noted, you never know where they'll decide to take a story. Since there's a lot I don't know, I'm left thinking that if Ser Loras is at King's Landing, Margaery Tyrell can't be far behind. And where does that leave Sansa? I think she should've gone off with the Hound. Who knows? She may yet. I'm also eager to see what happens now that Tywin's at the castle. He told Tyrion not to bring Shae, he knows what she looks like, and he's bound to see her. Oh, the scandal!

And if you didn't know, the season finale will run 70 mins long. A small consolation, but I'll take it.

[Beamer]

Sansa was still in the castle in the season finale preview. But, as you noted, you never know where they'll decide to take a story. Since there's a lot I don't know, I'm left thinking that if Ser Loras is at King's Landing, Margaery Tyrell can't be far behind. And where does that leave Sansa? I think she should've gone off with the Hound. Who knows? She may yet. I'm also eager to see what happens now that Tywin's at the castle. He told Tyrion not to bring Shae, he knows what she looks like, and he's bound to see her. Oh, the scandal!

And if you didn't know, the season finale will run 70 mins long. A small consolation, but I'll take it.

I didn't see the preview, but I thought we saw him leave without her, but there's speculation it was left open-ended. I didn't think so, but that doesn't mean I didn't see something that wasn't there, and while having her go with Sandor somewhat makes a different character seem less devious, it doesn't hurt much.

[LisaLisa]

Season 3 casting is underway.