Rangerland Forum Information

[xcheck24]

Yeah, we need a new thread. So here it is.

Also, one of my friends just picked up the Giants beat for one of the papers. Follow him on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/#!/TheJRob

This post has been edited by jburns: Feb 9 2012, 12:04 PM

[teddyc]

2011 Schedule
TWO Dallas Games in the last 4 weeks...with the Skins and Jets in between!

Sep. 11 at Redskins
4:15 PM EDT
TV: FOX

Sep. 19 Rams
8:30 PM EDT
TV: ESPN

Sep. 25 at Eagles
1:00 PM EDT
TV: FOX

Oct. 02 at Cardinals
4:05 PM EDT
TV: FOX

Oct. 09 Seahawks
1:00 PM EDT
TV: FOX

Oct. 16 Bills
1:00 PM EDT
TV: CBS

07 Bye

Oct. 30 Dolphins
1:00 PM EDT
TV: CBS

09 Nov. 06 at Patriots
4:15 PM EST
TV: FOX

Nov. 13 at 49ers
4:15 PM EST
TV: FOX

Nov. 20 Eagles
8:20 PM EST
TV: NBC

Nov. 28 at Saints
8:30 PM EST
TV: ESPN

Dec. 04 Packers
4:15 PM EST
TV: FOX

Dec. 11 at Cowboys
8:20 PM EST
TV: NBC

Dec. 18 Redskins
1:00 PM EST
TV: FOX

Dec. 24 at Jets
1:00 PM EST
TV: FOX

Jan. 01 Cowboys
1:00 PM EST
TV: FOX

[leedsy99]

Eli Manning is still our flippin' quarterback, right?

FuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhK.

[xcheck24]

Eli Manning is still our flippin' quarterback, right?

FuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhK.

Aren't you an Eli defender?

[rightbug]

A handy guide to which games will be blacked out here in New England!

2011 Schedule

Sep. 25 at Eagles
1:00 PM EDT
TV: FOX

Oct. 02 at Cardinals
4:05 PM EDT
TV: FOX

Dec. 24 at Jets
1:00 PM EST
TV: FOX

Jan. 01 Cowboys
1:00 PM EST
TV: FOX

Ugh. Back to back weeks twice including the last two games of the regular season

This post has been edited by rightbug: Jul 25 2011, 03:23 PM

[Eric]

If you sign up for DirecTV you get NFL Sunday Ticket for free!

[xcheck24]

If you sign up for DirecTV you get NFL Sunday Ticket for free!

Do you work for DirecTV?

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

Dec. 24 at Jets
1:00 PM EST
TV: FOX

This is either going to be the greatest or worst Christmas ever.

[teddyc]

This is either going to be the greatest or worst Christmas ever.

I think I'm gonna have a media fast for the week before and after...If I have to listen to fans fighting over invisible bragging rights for two weeks it's going to take away from my enjoyment of the actual football game.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I think I'm gonna have a media fast for the week before and after...If I have to listen to fans fighting over invisible bragging rights for two weeks it's going to take away from my enjoyment of the actual football game.

I get this, but as far as "invisible bragging rights" I'm in the minority being a Jets fan in both my family AND my wife's family.

Christmas Eve. There is nothing invisible about the bragging rights and/or pain I will go through depending on the outcome.

Christmas Eve with MY brother in laws, Christmas with all of her uncles and brother in law.

*shudder*

[leedsy99]

Aren't you an Eli defender?

I defend Eli Manning in the same way that 101 claims to not be a bigot. Deep down, when push comes to shove, I really hate Muslims. I mean, Eli Manning.

[xcheck24]

Am I the only Eli defender here then?

[teddyc]

Am I the only Eli defender here then?

No. Eli Manning suffers from the "I am not sexy" disease. Maybe he needs to wear Wranglers!

Otherwise, he's smart, tough, productive and dependent on a good Defense and a healthy O-Line to succeed. Just like every other above average QB in the NFL.

[Eric]

Do you work for DirecTV?

Uh... no.

[Sed]

Am I the only Eli defender here then?

Hide your heart, girl.

[Ebase]

I defend Eli Manning in the same way that 101 claims to not be a bigot. Deep down, when push comes to shove, I really hate Muslims. I mean, Eli Manning.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

Am I the only Eli defender here then?

For what its worth I don't hate him.

[Bleedin-Blue]

They're gonna lose the last nine games. I'm calling it right now.

Fuck this team. I still hate them all for blowing that bullshit game against Philly last year. College football can't come fast enough.

[teddyc]

I get this, but as far as "invisible bragging rights" I'm in the minority being a Jets fan in both my family AND my wife's family.

Christmas Eve. There is nothing invisible about the bragging rights and/or pain I will go through depending on the outcome.

Christmas Eve with MY brother in laws, Christmas with all of her uncles and brother in law.

*shudder*

I feel bad for you. I do.
Beat the Pats twice and fuck the Giants. I'll take a loss to the Jets if it means they beat Dallas twice.

But I'll be pissed if the Giants come out flat for the Dallas game because the media was wearing them out for 2 weeks about what Rex says and stupid shit like that.

Coughlin is gonna have a "ceasure" that week answering questions about shit like that.

[Nilan 666]

Am I the only Eli defender here then?

No, but he does have the ablity to have a great game and look awful doing it. Its very confusing. I know I've had more than a few times where I found myself saying, he threw for 300 yards and 2 TDs with no picks?

[Paul Smachetti]

No, but he does have the ablity to have a great game and look awful doing it. Its very confusing. I know I've had more than a few times where I found myself saying, he threw for 300 yards and 2 TDs with no picks?

I find him very frustrating but he brought us a Super Bowl. So no I am also an Eli backer too.

[xcheck24]

Apparently Mara said on the radio today they'd talk about bringing Plax back.

I'll walk away from that grenade I dropped in the middle of the thread.

[Papagolash]

Apparently Mara said on the radio today they'd talk about bringing Plax back.

I'll walk away from that grenade I dropped in the middle of the thread.

If he shows he can still play, do eeet! Guy was a black hole whenever Eli threw the ball to him.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

If he shows he can still play, do eeet! Guy was a black hole whenever Eli threw the ball to him.

Racist

[teddyc]

Plax...He's old and the Giants had a better passing game after he left.

Let's all stick to remembering him for the NFC Championship Win against Green Bay which was his true shining moment as a Giant. (As well as one of Eli's)

And lets move on and let some other younger guys take over in the hero dept.
I'm personally rooting for Steve Smith to make a comeback before I root for the guy who shit all over the 2008 season with his hold out, suspension and then self inflicted gunshot wound accompanied by inflicting the captain of the defense with a public criminal event in the middle of the season.

That kind of shit doesn't deserve a second chance.

[Ebase]

Of all the areas that the Giants need addressing its at linebacker. Nicks is a stud, Smith (assuming he is back) is a stud. Manningham is a great change of pace guy. And on and on.

I am just so happy that we are turning the page and football is back.

[teddyc]

Giants signed undrafted LB Mark Herzlich
He was consider a top 10 draft pick and then he came down with and fought off the Big C.
Fully healthy now, maybe he'll make that jump back to a top prospect. Giants need LBs!!!

Also...OLine revamp is beginning.

Rich Seubert and Shaun O'Hara have been released. Seubert won't be ready to return from injury at the start of the season and O'Hara is recovering also, but probably shot. I could see them calling in Seubert mid year if he rehabs well.

[rightbug]

Am I the only Eli defender here then?

No, I'm a big Eli defender. At this stage in his career, his stats are as good as his brother's were at the same stage of his career. Of course, I was really hoping that last season would be the one where Eli went from a quarterback of the verge of greatness to one of the elites and he actually seemed to regress a bit. Some of that was injuries and dropsies in the wide-receiver core but he also made some poor decisions.

Apparently Mara said on the radio today they'd talk about bringing Plax back.

If he could pick up where he left off, absolutely. Eli to Plax in the back corner of the end zone was money in the bank every time. Once we lost that we began to struggle in the red-zone. I was hoping Ramses Barden would become that guy.

[leedsy99]

At this stage in his career, his stats are as good as his brother's were at the same stage of his career.

Ahem. They aren't really. There's a difference of about 500 more completions and 40 more touchdowns, and that's without the fact that Peyton started on a doormat team and made them Superbowl contenders while Eli had a decent core around him at the outset. I don't cite this comparison as a knock on Eli -- some will argue that Peyton is the greatest QB ever, so even being in the same ballpark is a complement to Eli.

I'm not all that down on Eli. But he was awful last season. Sure, the injuries hurt. But he was still awful. That said, there's probably like only five other QBs in the league that I'd rather have (Brees, Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Rape Ape).

[HDH]

I'm not all that down on Eli. But he was awful last season.

They dropped A LOT of passes on him last season, especially early on in the season. A LOT. A few a game at least.


EDIT: And deflected a lot that resulted in interceptions.

This post has been edited by HDH: Jul 26 2011, 03:34 PM

[rightbug]

EDIT: And deflected a lot that resulted in interceptions.

Yes, holy shit, I'd almost forgotten that. Eventually Eli started making bad decisions and throwing his own interceptions but there was a period early in the season where almost every one of his interceptions was a deflected ball that should have been caught.

And, yeah, I guess the comparison between Eli and Peyton's early careers doesn't hold anymore

[Bleedin-Blue]

All the tipped balls aside, somebody made the solid point of him just making bad decisions with the ball. He gets flustered way too easily for a professional quarterback. It almost seems that every step he takes forward, he ends up taking two back with fumbles or interceptions by throwing the ball where he shouldn't have. THAT'S what pisses me off the most about him. A guy of his pedigree and experience should know when and when not to try and make plays.

I still think a lot of this failure stems from the coaching staff too though. I've had just about all I can take from Kevin "I-got-knocked-the-fuck-out-by-Buddy-Ryan-and-all-I-got-was-this-stupid-mustache" Gilbride. I really wish they would have made more of a push for Charlie Weis.

[teddyc]

I just saw Eli's slide last year as trying to do too much while the WR's and OL and Defense crashed down around him. He lost Smith, Nicks, Hixon, Boss and they were carting in guys left and right from off the street. The OL was riddled with injuries and the defense collapsed several different games throughout.

All the opponents jammed the run and Eli just buckled under the deluge and started forcing passes etc. As long as he learned from it...it's ok with me. But they need to adjust their personnel so they are younger and more durable. Especially on the OL.

[xcheck24]

I wondered if his bad decisions were because of those dropped balls and tipped balls turned into interceptions.

[Bleedin-Blue]

If THAT'S the reason for his bad decisions, he really shouldn't be playing professional football.

[TheAnaconda]

That said, there's probably like only five other QBs in the league that I'd rather have (Brees, Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Rape Ape).

Exactly.

For all of Eli's frustrations, when you start to compare him to other QBs around the league, you realize its kinda nice to have an arguably Top 7 and definite Top 10 quarterback. Everyone who drafts a rookie QB for their future would consider it a success if they turned out like Eli Manning.

In a related note, until Philip Rivers wins a Super Bowl for San Diego, I declare the Giants the true longterm winners of that trade.

[Greatone]

I'm not all that down on Eli. But he was awful last season. Sure, the injuries hurt. But he was still awful. That said, there's probably like only five other QBs in the league that I'd rather have (Brees, Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Rape Ape).

Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers, Rogers are the top 5 in the league, IMO. A full season of what Vick did last year puts him that company too. Eli leads the second tier with guys like Romo etc.

[TheAnaconda]

Let's not forget Eli had more TD passes than anyone not named Brees, Brady, or Peyton Manning.

And he was 5th in total yards.

With a patchwork WR corp for a lot of the year.

This post has been edited by TheAnaconda: Jul 26 2011, 04:44 PM

[xcheck24]

If THAT'S the reason for his bad decisions, he really shouldn't be playing professional football.

Well, think about it. He starts lacking confidence in his receivers to do the right thing and he starts rushing his decisions or reaches for a different one to avoid the previous outcomes. In turn he makes bad decisions.

[Bleedin-Blue]

You know what else spells bad news? The Giants are currently over the cap and still have to sign UFA's like Kiwanuka, Bradshaw and Steve Smith. That's not good.

[TheAnaconda]

Steve Smith might start the season on the PUP list, so he shouldn't be too hard to resign, even if its a short-term deal.

Bradshaw worries me the most because if he leaves we gotta replace him with another free agent back and the pickings are slim.

Kiwanuka's worth is determined by what Osi does, and all signs point to him holding out for an extension (which he won't get) or a trade.

Edit: Are the Giants still over the cap with the release of O'Hara and Seubert?

This post has been edited by TheAnaconda: Jul 26 2011, 04:59 PM

[teddyc]

You know what else spells bad news? The Giants are currently over the cap and still have to sign UFA's like Kiwanuka, Bradshaw and Steve Smith. That's not good.

A lot of teams are in the same boat. This is where they squeeze players for restructuring. Normally they would have had the whole summer to fix this.

[TheAnaconda]

Reportedly, Plaxico will decide between the Giants and Steelers....


Rumored offer from Giants is two years, 10.5 million, with 60% being salary and bonuses and the rest in incentives.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

God I really don't want Plax back.

[Greatone]

God I really don't want Plax back.

Well that means he'll sign with the Giants.

[teddyc]

Well that means he'll sign with the Giants.

FUUUUUUUCK

[Bleedin-Blue]

...and also that he'll have a bullet lodged in his right shoulder by Thanksgiving.

[xcheck24]

If they sign him and then is like his old self hauling in catches and racking up the yards and touchdowns, I think I can get over his baggage.
I've been slightly on the yes side of this from the beginning because, while I like the receivers, they are wildly inconsistent. Someone like Plax would add some consistency back there.

[teddyc]

I want Plax to be ok and find his game again. But I would hate it if he just went back to sleeping late and skipping meetings and getting fined etc.
If he is truly grown up and can be a productive player and teammate then sure...I'd take him back. But doubting that will happen is excusable.

I also think meeting with him will provide some closure for the Giants and Plax too. And that is a good thing no matter what happens next.

[xcheck24]

You know, though, Coughlin gave him a very, very long leash the super bowl season. The guy barely practiced because he was always "hurt" during the week. And then he'd come in for the game and just dominate. If Coughlin is still of that mindset, it could be OK.