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post Apr 3 2012, 03:55 PM
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The CFO of this company checks the kitchen/fridge every single day. His office is right by the employee entrance, he'll ask to see it because that's just the kind of person he is.

I'm not pressing any issue or anything like that - I was just wondering if it's legal or not to do such a thing.


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QUOTE(Tex @ Apr 3 2012, 03:49 PM) *
QUOTE(Rocha @ Apr 3 2012, 03:27 PM) *
This is the opposite of freedom and tolerance, actually.

QUOTE(ree @ Apr 3 2012, 03:27 PM) *
Someone brought in pasta last year and got yelled at.

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The bread *cannot be brought in*, dude. They're not asking her to just stick it in an opaque bag and pretend it's not there.

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I've already decided that I'm just going to play it safe and do like I do every year - buy those salads that come in a bag, a couple of cans of tuna and a small container of mayo (since my husband and I don't eat it regularly) and celery. As far as breakfast goes, I'll buy a bag of grapefruits or something and freeze the english muffins I have at home that would've carried me through the month for breakfast. Fingers crossed that there's a sale on those Healthy Choice steamed meals - they usually come with rice and vegetables, no bread products at all.


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Just a reminder that during the Passover Holiday beginning on April 6th thru Saturday April 14th all bread products must be removed from the office (including your desks) Thursday April 5th before the end of the work day and should not be brought into the office again until Monday April 16th.

Examples as follows: (pizza, rice, bread, noodles, cakes, crackers, muffins etc.)
Please note that the cleaning service will be instructed to empty and clean both refrigerators on Thursday April 5th at the end of the day.


Nope, sorry, no rice for you. Either risk your employment over some bits of rice in a fucking Healthy Choice meal, or adopt some of the practices of orthodox Judiasm at work for a week. Really not an imposition at all. rolleyes.gif


Well, there goes that. Back to the drawing board I go!


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QUOTE(Dunc @ Apr 3 2012, 04:45 PM) *
Pasta isn't leavened - there is no Passover prohibition on it whatsoever.


You should find out exactly what is and isn't prohibited during Passover, then bring in what isn't and if they give you grief chastise them for being bad Jews.


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I carry a mini-cooler thing* in to work with a "maxcold ice-pack' in it and don't even use the refrigerators.


This is what I was referring to
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QUOTE(Alitaki @ Apr 3 2012, 04:56 PM) *
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Pasta isn't leavened - there is no Passover prohibition on it whatsoever.


You should find out exactly what is and isn't prohibited during Passover, then bring in what isn't and if they give you grief chastise them for being bad Jews.


I'm taking Pete's suggestion and converting just for Passover. It's bad enough I'm not Catholic, maybe my mother-in-law would be down with me becoming Jewish. I'd get to leave early on Fridays...huzzah!


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QUOTE(Alitaki @ Apr 3 2012, 04:56 PM) *
QUOTE(Dunc @ Apr 3 2012, 04:45 PM) *
Pasta isn't leavened - there is no Passover prohibition on it whatsoever.


You should find out exactly what is and isn't prohibited during Passover, then bring in what isn't and if they give you grief chastise them for being bad Jews.


Seriously, rice is now a leavened bread product? I think Ree's bosses need to spend more time reading science texts and less time coming up with lists of foods people can't bring into the office next week.


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Maybe they're not orthodox Jews at all but Atkinsites. That would explain the no rice and pasta part, at least.

"And our lord sayeth stick to lean proteins, eggs and green vegetables and avoid sweets at all costs."


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post Apr 3 2012, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE(ree @ Apr 3 2012, 04:55 PM) *
The CFO of this company checks the kitchen/fridge every single day. His office is right by the employee entrance, he'll ask to see it because that's just the kind of person he is.

I'm not pressing any issue or anything like that - I was just wondering if it's legal or not to do such a thing.


Get yourself an insulated lunch bag. The kind you can put those blue ice packs in to keep it cold. Keep the bag in your drawer or under your desk. When it's time for lunch, take it, leave, eat, come back. Is the CFO really going to ask you to open the lunch bag under your desk? If so use a larger handbag than normal and keep it in there so he can't even see it.


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QUOTE(Rocha @ Apr 3 2012, 04:58 PM) *
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QUOTE(Dunc @ Apr 3 2012, 04:45 PM) *
Pasta isn't leavened - there is no Passover prohibition on it whatsoever.


You should find out exactly what is and isn't prohibited during Passover, then bring in what isn't and if they give you grief chastise them for being bad Jews.


Seriously, rice is now a bread product? I think Ree's bosses need to spend more time reading science texts and less time coming up with lists of foods people can't bring into the office next week.


It's not a bread product, it's a quibbly interpretational thing (according to About's thing on Kosher for Passover). "These foods are off limits because the rabbis determined they violated the principle of ma'arit ayin. This principle means that Jews should avoid even the appearance of impropriety." Some traditions think you shouldn't even risk looking like you're eating something bread-ish; others don't care. Unfortunately, her employers are apparently of the former.


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post Apr 3 2012, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(Kusand @ Apr 3 2012, 05:02 PM) *
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Pasta isn't leavened - there is no Passover prohibition on it whatsoever.


You should find out exactly what is and isn't prohibited during Passover, then bring in what isn't and if they give you grief chastise them for being bad Jews.


Seriously, rice is now a bread product? I think Ree's bosses need to spend more time reading science texts and less time coming up with lists of foods people can't bring into the office next week.


It's not a bread product, it's a quibbly interpretational thing (according to About's thing on Kosher for Passover). "These foods are off limits because the rabbis determined they violated the principle of ma'arit ayin. This principle means that Jews should avoid even the appearance of impropriety." Some traditions think you shouldn't even risk looking like you're eating something bread-ish; others don't care. Unfortunately, her employers are apparently of the former.


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QUOTE(Alitaki @ Apr 3 2012, 05:02 PM) *
QUOTE(ree @ Apr 3 2012, 04:55 PM) *
The CFO of this company checks the kitchen/fridge every single day. His office is right by the employee entrance, he'll ask to see it because that's just the kind of person he is.

I'm not pressing any issue or anything like that - I was just wondering if it's legal or not to do such a thing.


Get yourself an insulated lunch bag. The kind you can put those blue ice packs in to keep it cold. Keep the bag in your drawer or under your desk. When it's time for lunch, take it, leave, eat, come back. Is the CFO really going to ask you to open the lunch bag under your desk? If so use a larger handbag than normal and keep it in there so he can't even see it.


I'm with this thinking. I'm pretty sure once your employer starts going through your personal belongings on a hunt for bread products, the line is crossed on acceptable business practices.
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QUOTE(Rocha @ Apr 3 2012, 05:01 PM) *
Maybe they're not orthodox Jews at all but Atkinsites. That would explain the no rice and pasta part, at least.

"And our lord sayeth stick to lean proteins, eggs and green vegetables and avoid sweets at all costs."


Also on the plus side - I'm going to drop a few pounds. Helped me out last year when I had a wedding dress to fit into!


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QUOTE(Alitaki @ Apr 3 2012, 04:02 PM) *
QUOTE(ree @ Apr 3 2012, 04:55 PM) *
The CFO of this company checks the kitchen/fridge every single day. His office is right by the employee entrance, he'll ask to see it because that's just the kind of person he is.

I'm not pressing any issue or anything like that - I was just wondering if it's legal or not to do such a thing.


Get yourself an insulated lunch bag. The kind you can put those blue ice packs in to keep it cold. Keep the bag in your drawer or under your desk. When it's time for lunch, take it, leave, eat, come back. Is the CFO really going to ask you to open the lunch bag under your desk? If so use a larger handbag than normal and keep it in there so he can't even see it.

And then if he does look and fires you for it, you'd have a legitimate claim in court for wrongful termination.


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Chris nested quotes for your sins.


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QUOTE(SorryaboutthatWhoa @ Apr 3 2012, 05:04 PM) *
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QUOTE(ree @ Apr 3 2012, 04:55 PM) *
The CFO of this company checks the kitchen/fridge every single day. His office is right by the employee entrance, he'll ask to see it because that's just the kind of person he is.

I'm not pressing any issue or anything like that - I was just wondering if it's legal or not to do such a thing.


Get yourself an insulated lunch bag. The kind you can put those blue ice packs in to keep it cold. Keep the bag in your drawer or under your desk. When it's time for lunch, take it, leave, eat, come back. Is the CFO really going to ask you to open the lunch bag under your desk? If so use a larger handbag than normal and keep it in there so he can't even see it.


I'm with this thinking. I'm pretty sure once your employer starts going through your personal belongings on a hunt for bread products, the line is crossed on acceptable business practices.


I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


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NO CHAMETZ, MUHFUCKAH.


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QUOTE(Knight of Dight @ Apr 3 2012, 05:06 PM) *
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QUOTE(ree @ Apr 3 2012, 04:55 PM) *
The CFO of this company checks the kitchen/fridge every single day. His office is right by the employee entrance, he'll ask to see it because that's just the kind of person he is.

I'm not pressing any issue or anything like that - I was just wondering if it's legal or not to do such a thing.


Get yourself an insulated lunch bag. The kind you can put those blue ice packs in to keep it cold. Keep the bag in your drawer or under your desk. When it's time for lunch, take it, leave, eat, come back. Is the CFO really going to ask you to open the lunch bag under your desk? If so use a larger handbag than normal and keep it in there so he can't even see it.

And then if he does look and fires you for it, you'd have a legitimate claim in court for wrongful termination.


Oh young whippersnapper, it's not that easy. They'd never fire her for that. They'd make her life miserable to terms they are allowed to in hopes that she leaves. If she doesn't they begin the process of nitpicking and write ups based on things that are almost never enforced but don't normally lead to firings so they cover all their bases.

There are worse things in life than being fired. Sometimes not being fired is ALOT worse.
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I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


Tell him you didn't bring any food in and no, he cannot look in your purse. What is this bullshit? I can understand if they see you eating it at your desk or in the break room but now you can't take the food and leave the building to eat it? FUCK THAT NOISE. Burn the place down ree. I'll help.


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QUOTE(ree @ Apr 3 2012, 05:06 PM) *
I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


I am kind of chuckling at this point now. Not at you, just the situation. I'm imagining your boss walking around the office with his hands behind his back while people nervously type and stare at their screens.

He stops.

WHAT DID YOU BRING FOR LUNCH TODAY!!??!!
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QUOTE(Alitaki @ Apr 3 2012, 05:09 PM) *
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I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


Tell him you didn't bring any food in and no, he cannot look in your purse. What is this bullshit? I can understand if they see you eating it at your desk or in the break room but now you can't take the food and leave the building to eat it? FUCK THAT NOISE. Burn the place down ree. I'll help.


They want you to burn the place down - that helps get rid of the chametz!


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QUOTE(Sed @ Apr 3 2012, 05:10 PM) *
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QUOTE(ree @ Apr 3 2012, 05:06 PM) *
I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


Tell him you didn't bring any food in and no, he cannot look in your purse. What is this bullshit? I can understand if they see you eating it at your desk or in the break room but now you can't take the food and leave the building to eat it? FUCK THAT NOISE. Burn the place down ree. I'll help.


They want you to burn the place down - that helps get rid of the chametz!


Dude I don't speak made up shit. What does that mean?


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If she doesn't they begin the process of nitpicking and write ups based on things that are almost never enforced but don't normally lead to firings so they cover all their bases.


For example, just off the top of my head, she's been on this message board a bit today...
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I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


Tell him you didn't bring any food in and no, he cannot look in your purse. What is this bullshit? I can understand if they see you eating it at your desk or in the break room but now you can't take the food and leave the building to eat it? FUCK THAT NOISE. Burn the place down ree. I'll help.


They want you to burn the place down - that helps get rid of the chametz!


Dude I don't speak made up shit. What does that mean?



Chametz is Hebrew for "bread-cetera" - all the leavened shit that I'm not supposed to eat during Pesach. Fortunately for me, I'm as bad at being Jewish as I was at being Catholic!

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The CFO of this company checks the kitchen/fridge every single day. His office is right by the employee entrance, he'll ask to see it because that's just the kind of person he is.

I'm not pressing any issue or anything like that - I was just wondering if it's legal or not to do such a thing.


Get yourself an insulated lunch bag. The kind you can put those blue ice packs in to keep it cold. Keep the bag in your drawer or under your desk. When it's time for lunch, take it, leave, eat, come back. Is the CFO really going to ask you to open the lunch bag under your desk? If so use a larger handbag than normal and keep it in there so he can't even see it.

And then if he does look and fires you for it, you'd have a legitimate claim in court for wrongful termination.


Oh young whippersnapper, it's not that easy. They'd never fire her for that. They'd make her life miserable to terms they are allowed to in hopes that she leaves. If she doesn't they begin the process of nitpicking and write ups based on things that are almost never enforced but don't normally lead to firings so they cover all their bases.

There are worse things in life than being fired. Sometimes not being fired is ALOT worse.


I suppose this is why sexual harassment suits rarely result in a favorable outcome for the victim.


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I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


Tell him you didn't bring any food in and no, he cannot look in your purse. What is this bullshit? I can understand if they see you eating it at your desk or in the break room but now you can't take the food and leave the building to eat it? FUCK THAT NOISE. Burn the place down ree. I'll help.


Of course, this is exactly the creepy line that I was talking about earlier with "what rights should a business owner have"? For whatever reason, it's really important to their faith that they keep the place Kosher for Passover. Which literally requires them to not have bread *in the building*. At all. If they were requiring all people to get rid of bread at home and were going to make bread inspections of your house? Yes, bullshit. For asking you to do certain things in the office, burn the place down? How about a dress code? It's their property, not yours. I'm not saying you should want to work at a place that wants to check your stuff, but it's a little fucked up to get "burn the place down" because they want to have their office be a certain way.


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I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


Tell him you didn't bring any food in and no, he cannot look in your purse. What is this bullshit? I can understand if they see you eating it at your desk or in the break room but now you can't take the food and leave the building to eat it? FUCK THAT NOISE. Burn the place down ree. I'll help.

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I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


Tell him you didn't bring any food in and no, he cannot look in your purse. What is this bullshit? I can understand if they see you eating it at your desk or in the break room but now you can't take the food and leave the building to eat it? FUCK THAT NOISE. Burn the place down ree. I'll help.


They want you to burn the place down - that helps get rid of the chametz!


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Of course, this is exactly the creepy line that I was talking about earlier with "what rights should a business owner have"? For whatever reason, it's really important to their faith that they keep the place Kosher for Passover. Which literally requires them to not have bread *in the building*. At all. If they were requiring all people to get rid of bread at home and were going to make bread inspections of your house? Yes, bullshit. For asking you to do certain things in the office, burn the place down? How about a dress code? It's their property, not yours. I'm not saying you should want to work at a place that wants to check your stuff, but it's a little fucked up to get "burn the place down" because they want to have their office be a certain way.


And I said she should take the food out of the building to eat it. That's my point. Keep it out of sight, leave the building then go back in. I'm not saying she should have a neon sign out saying LOOK AT ME I"VE GOT BREAD! I'm not even saying she should keep it in the fridge. Keep it in your purse and leave during lunch. What right does anyone have to look through your personal bag? And if they're doing that then yeah that's fucking bullshit. Personal property inspections? Are you kidding me?

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I could probably get away with it and then go eat at Bryant Park or something on my lunch hour if it's warm enough. I just won't sit here at my desk and say, 'I HAVE A SANDWICH IN MY PURSE EVERYONE!'

I wish my direct boss would say something like he did for summer Fridays. Everyone's allowed to leave early but his sales team. "My sales team can bring this stuff in, everyone else can't."


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Of course, this is exactly the creepy line that I was talking about earlier with "what rights should a business owner have"? For whatever reason, it's really important to their faith that they keep the place Kosher for Passover. Which literally requires them to not have bread *in the building*. At all. If they were requiring all people to get rid of bread at home and were going to make bread inspections of your house? Yes, bullshit. For asking you to do certain things in the office, burn the place down? How about a dress code? It's their property, not yours. I'm not saying you should want to work at a place that wants to check your stuff, but it's a little fucked up to get "burn the place down" because they want to have their office be a certain way.


And I said she should take the food out of the building to eat it. That's my point. Keep it out of sight, leave the building then go back in. I'm not saying she should have a neon sign out saying LOOK AT ME I"VE GOT BREAD! I'm not even saying she should keep it in the fridge. Keep it in your purse and leave during lunch. What right does anyone have to look through your personal bag? And if they're doing that then yeah that's fucking bullshit. Personal property inspections? Are you kidding me?

She should bury her lunch in her purse beneath a couple of dildos and female condoms, just to be sure. Then if anyone tries to search her bag, the first thing they'd find would be that stuff and she could call them out as pervs.


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QUOTE(Kusand @ Apr 3 2012, 05:15 PM) *
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I don't want to toe the line and have to get into that sort of thing. If I can avoid having him grill me about what is in my lunch bag I'm going to. If I bring in food and he asks me what it is, I'd rather him see that it's not against the guidelines and move on to the next person who brought a bagel in because they want to prove a point.


Tell him you didn't bring any food in and no, he cannot look in your purse. What is this bullshit? I can understand if they see you eating it at your desk or in the break room but now you can't take the food and leave the building to eat it? FUCK THAT NOISE. Burn the place down ree. I'll help.


Of course, this is exactly the creepy line that I was talking about earlier with "what rights should a business owner have"? For whatever reason, it's really important to their faith that they keep the place Kosher for Passover. Which literally requires them to not have bread *in the building*. At all. If they were requiring all people to get rid of bread at home and were going to make bread inspections of your house? Yes, bullshit. For asking you to do certain things in the office, burn the place down? How about a dress code? It's their property, not yours. I'm not saying you should want to work at a place that wants to check your stuff, but it's a little fucked up to get "burn the place down" because they want to have their office be a certain way.


Which one is more tolerant for everyone:

1. We will be observing Passover next week, and based on our traditions, this has us abstain from partaking in or being in the presence of leavened bread products such as (list), so we respectfully request that you do not bring these items into work next week. If you must bring them in, please do not leave them in public view.

or

2. Just a reminder that next week is Passover and you can not bring in any of (list) products next week, and any such products still in the refrigerator will be discarded.

One is asking in the spirit of cooperation, the other is imposing and demanding.

Yes, they own the business and probably (although not necessarily!) can enforce this if they want "or else," but it comes down to one of the fundamental tenets of a well-functioning society: Just because you have the power advantage to be a dick doesn't mean it's okay to be one. Why am I supposed to give a damn about Judaism on Passover or Catholicism on Fridays when I don't belong to either denomination and I'm just trying to do my job? I'm not trying to impose on them, they're trying to impose on me.


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They totally could have worded it better, it's a douchey letter for sure. I guess the way I'm seeing it is that it's not that they want you to give a damn; it's that their religion for whatever reason requires them to give a damn about spaces they can control. Which includes their office, and cafeteria, and yak yak yak. They're imposing, and it's a pain in the ass, but they're not doing it to piss you off or to make you find out what it's like to be a Jew. It's just a thing they're doing. Like - I don't know, I hope I don't sound snarky, I don't mean to be - installing flushless urinals in the men's rooms to save water. (My company did that. Hate it.) They're trying to make their space better environmentally. It's also inconveniencing you because it fucking stinks twice a week when it backs up now; but they were trying to accomplish something that meant something to them in the office.

It just seems like a very hard scenario, because drawing a firm line based on it would seem to rule out a lot of flexibility to run a business that jibes with your own belief system.


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It's annoying and total BS if most of the employees are not Jewish, but it is a private company and they have a right to put forth this policy.

What about if the company was Catholic and most of the employees were not Catholic, but the company wanted to force all of its employees to follow their religious rules to make them happy? Does that still fly?


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It's annoying and total BS if most of the employees are not Jewish, but it is a private company and they have a right to put forth this policy.

What about if the company was Catholic and most of the employees were not Catholic, but the company wanted to force all of its employees to follow their religious rules to make them happy? Does that still fly?

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1. We will be observing Passover next week, and based on our traditions, this has us abstain from partaking in or being in the presence of leavened bread products such as (list), so we respectfully request that you do not bring these items into work next week. If you must bring them in, please do not leave them in public view.

or

2. Just a reminder that next week is Passover and you can not bring in any of (list) products next week, and any such products still in the refrigerator will be discarded.

One is asking in the spirit of cooperation, the other is imposing and demanding.

Yes, they own the business and probably (although not necessarily!) can enforce this if they want "or else," but it comes down to one of the fundamental tenets of a well-functioning society: Just because you have the power advantage to be a dick doesn't mean it's okay to be one. Why am I supposed to give a damn about Judaism on Passover or Catholicism on Fridays when I don't belong to either denomination and I'm just trying to do my job? I'm not trying to impose on them, they're trying to impose on me.


You talk about tolerance, but then you end it by saying "why should you care, just let me do my job" Having it in the office is apparently against their religion. They run the office. It seems as though if given the choice you'd say "screw you I'm bringing in bread"

How is that tolerant?
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You talk about tolerance, but then you end it by saying "why should you care, just let me do my job" Having it in the office is apparently against their religion. They run the office. It seems as though if given the choice you'd say "screw you I'm bringing in bread"

How is that tolerant?


Because the job is not about their religion. At least, I assume so. I think Ree works for some sporting goods thing. Why does anyone have to care about religion in a job that has nothing to do with it? That's entirely unfair.

Again, who's making the imposition?

A: We're not going to eat or be around bread and you can't either.

or B: Fine, you don't eat bread and I'll try my best not to get in the way of your practices and keep my bread out of your sight.

A is dictating, and not only isn't B dictating, they're going out of their way to at least try and make things more agreeable for A.

There has long been some weird expectation on the part of some religious followers that their practices should resonate with the non-believers as well. Don't take the name of the lord in vain, don't eat meat on Fridays, etc. I am not trying to be disrespectful but I have never heard one good reason why I should care. Worship your religions to your hearts content. But they have nothing to do with me and really, that's that.


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Maybe they're not orthodox Jews at all but Atkinsites. That would explain the no rice and pasta part, at least.

"And our lord sayeth stick to lean proteins, eggs and green vegetables and avoid sweets at all costs."


Also on the plus side - I'm going to drop a few pounds. Helped me out last year when I had a wedding dress to fit into!


Whats with you women always thinking about losing pounds when it doesn't seem you have to!? I remember once i had like a Costanza moment where a friend just had like a salad with simple grilled chicken slices in it, and i ordered the choc souffle at the end. A small....little...souffle. Not even a bite. How is it taking her out to lunch when she barely had anything? Seriously. It does not count! She was fine in weight! Maybe even too thin!


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Maybe they're not orthodox Jews at all but Atkinsites. That would explain the no rice and pasta part, at least.

"And our lord sayeth stick to lean proteins, eggs and green vegetables and avoid sweets at all costs."


Also on the plus side - I'm going to drop a few pounds. Helped me out last year when I had a wedding dress to fit into!


Whats with you women always thinking about losing pounds when it doesn't seem you have to!? I remember once i had like a Costanza moment where a friend just had like a salad with simple grilled chicken slices in it, and i ordered the choc souffle at the end. A small....little...souffle. Not even a bite. How is it taking her out to lunch when she barely had anything? Seriously. It does not count! She was fine in weight! Maybe even too thin!


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