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post May 8 2012, 02:21 PM
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Really now. Holy shit. I was gonna close the whole forum for the afternoon, but it's really only that one that's gotten ridiculous.

And if you think I get off on doing crap like this or being the boss, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. I hate this shit. I'm now at the point of desperate measures to impress upon you how tired I am of some of you guys destroying each other every day. My frustration comes from the fact I just can't walk away from it and leave you to do whatever to each other, I'm responsible.

It's really tiring at this point, isn't it? OK, you don't like jkman, or Greatone, or me, or Leeds, or Knight of Dight, or 101, or whomever, and their comments send you into an instant rage. So? Just leave then. Or ignore it. We have ignore list functions. I don't want to lose any members, but it's better than daily grudgery.


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The shit in there today is why I would never go in there. Today, I make one comment about Backstrom hitting the crossbar and I get corrected because of how important it is and must be notated that Lundquist got a piece of the shot that caused it to hit the crossbar.

If you shut it down Pete, I wouldn't blame you in the least bit.


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post May 8 2012, 02:35 PM
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The shit in there today is why I would never go in there. Today, I make one comment about Backstrom hitting the crossbar and I get corrected because of how important it is and must be notated that Lundquist got a piece of the shot that caused it to hit the crossbar.

If you shut it down Pete, I wouldn't blame you in the least bit.


Thanks Puck.

Anyway, everyone go have an ice cream cone and come back later in a brighter mood or something. Yessss, people can say some annoying shit. But then fighting to the death over it just makes everyone miserable. I am trying to be better myself in terms of dropping things and if I may, that's probably a good suggestion for a number of people. Make your point and let it go.


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QUOTE(Rocha @ May 8 2012, 12:35 PM) *
QUOTE(Puckforbrains @ May 8 2012, 03:29 PM) *
The shit in there today is why I would never go in there. Today, I make one comment about Backstrom hitting the crossbar and I get corrected because of how important it is and must be notated that Lundquist got a piece of the shot that caused it to hit the crossbar.

If you shut it down Pete, I wouldn't blame you in the least bit.


Thanks Puck.

Anyway, everyone go have an ice cream cone and come back later in a brighter mood or something. Yessss, people can say some annoying shit. But then fighting to the death over it just makes everyone miserable. I am trying to be better myself in terms of dropping things and if I may, that's probably a good suggestion for a number of people. Make your point and let it go.


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post May 8 2012, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(Rocha @ May 8 2012, 02:21 PM) *
Really now. Holy shit. I was gonna close the whole forum for the afternoon, but it's really only that one that's gotten ridiculous.

And if you think I get off on doing crap like this or being the boss, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. I hate this shit. I'm now at the point of desperate measures to impress upon you how tired I am of some of you guys destroying each other every day. My frustration comes from the fact I just can't walk away from it and leave you to do whatever to each other, I'm responsible.

It's really tiring at this point, isn't it? OK, you don't like jkman, or Greatone, or me, or Leeds, or Knight of Dight, or 101, or whomever, and their comments send you into an instant rage. So? Just leave then. Or ignore it. We have ignore list functions. I don't want to lose any members, but it's better than daily grudgery.

I was writing a post similar to this right as you closed that forum...

I was gonna say something along the lines of, "Jesus Christ can't we stop bitching about the team for a day and relish what a huge win that was? The team was 6.6 seconds away from what would likely spell the end of their best run in the last two decades and didn't give up, but everyone wants to nitpick about the team's inadequacies? There's always the game tomorrow to resume this shit, lighten up and enjoy the successes this team has."

It really does seem like some people on here argue for the sake of arguing, and cannot let anything go. They HAVE to be right and will beat a dead horse to a pulp until they get the last word. Someone once told me on here that I need to go smoke a bowl, well I am sending that comment right back at you. Why can't we all be jovial during an off-day following a humangous big win?

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Make your point and let it go.


Yeah. Apologies. I was deciding way too late to try to extricate myself there.


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post May 8 2012, 02:47 PM
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I was gonna say something along the lines of, "Jesus Christ can't we stop bitching about the team for a day and relish what a huge win that was? The team was 6.6 seconds away from what would likely spell the end of their best run in the last two decades and didn't give up, but everyone wants to nitpick about the team's inadequacies? There's always the game tomorrow to resume this shit, lighten up and enjoy the successes this team has."

It really does seem like some people on here argue for the sake of arguing, and cannot let anything go. They HAVE to be right and will beat a dead horse to a pulp until they get the last word. Someone once told me on here that I need to go smoke a bowl, well I am sending that comment right back at you. Why can't we all be jovial during an off-day following a humangous big win?


But it's not just that. As tireless as JK was in insisting on his nitpicks, there was a larger group who were equally tireless in arguing back at him or making sarcastic comments. The whole thing looked ugly. Let's take an afternoon off.


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I didn't really read anything in depth because all I was seeing was bickering and walls of text - and I clicked out of it immediately. It's a downer, especially when so many of us were still high on life from last night's amazing win.

Regardless of whether or not you like what anyone has to say, at least respect the person who runs this place enough not to be an a-hole.

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post May 8 2012, 02:52 PM
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Make your point and let it go.


Yeah. Apologies. I was deciding way too late to try to extricate myself there.


Good of you to stand up and put a little heat on yourself, thanks. Something we all might need to do to fix our problems, I think.


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post May 8 2012, 03:00 PM
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I really think it was getting better around here and that even 'the usual suspects' were getting along.

The club soccer and hockey teams all have similar rules regarding emails to the coach, etc. They want you to go ahead and write your irate email, but save it as a draft, wait 24 hours, then read it again and see if you really still want to send that email.

Obviously, 24 hours is probably excessive here, but the principle still holds true. Imagine someone reading your post - someone like our kids for example - and think if you'd be embarrassed or ashamed if they were to read your post. If the answer is 'yes', don't post it.


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I already put a list of people on ignore last night when I came here to celebrate the miracle win and heard complaints about ice time and how we could lose the series. At least thats me doing my part.



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I wanted to post about how good it was we were won game away from the ECF and that no matter the bitching there is no counter-factual because we you know won. But oh well. That thread was brutal to read to the point.

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I already put a list of people on ignore last night when I came here to celebrate the miracle win and heard complaints about ice time and how we could lose the series. At least that's me doing my part.


Just because someone, anyone, puts people on ignore, does not excuse them from making shitty comments. Your last statement really makes you sound like you think you have no responsibility to monitor yourself because you put others on an ignore list. I don't think that's necessarily what you truly mean, but that's how it came across to me.


I left this place for about a year and nothing has changed except Pete's tolerance for BS which seems to have grown but also seems to be rapidly dwindling.



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QUOTE(Puckforbrains @ May 8 2012, 04:15 PM) *
QUOTE(Greatone @ May 8 2012, 04:01 PM) *
I already put a list of people on ignore last night when I came here to celebrate the miracle win and heard complaints about ice time and how we could lose the series. At least that's me doing my part.


Just because someone, anyone, puts people on ignore, does not excuse them from making shitty comments. Your last statement really makes you sound like you think you have no responsibility to monitor yourself because you put others on an ignore list. I don't think that's necessarily what you truly mean, but that's how it came across to me.


I left this place for about a year and nothing has changed except Pete's tolerance for BS which seems to have grown but also seems to be rapidly dwindling.


Uh, no. It means that it will stop me from engaging with those people and getting frustrated with their posts as Pete alluded to earlier. I know I was/is a dick on here, which is why I've never gotten offended by people calling me one.

And welcome back man, now if only Nootch posts more.


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Ok, let's not turn this into an extension of that discussion - I don't think anyone wants to sit here and argue about the way they argued in the other forum. It's way too meta, and it's tiring. We also already have a thread on it in AG.

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It's also very easy to tell yourself "just one more post will make my point clear," and then three pages later you're wondering how you got there. Know when to hold em, fold em, etc.


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QUOTE(Greatone @ May 8 2012, 04:17 PM) *
QUOTE(Puckforbrains @ May 8 2012, 04:15 PM) *
QUOTE(Greatone @ May 8 2012, 04:01 PM) *
I already put a list of people on ignore last night when I came here to celebrate the miracle win and heard complaints about ice time and how we could lose the series. At least that's me doing my part.


Just because someone, anyone, puts people on ignore, does not excuse them from making shitty comments. Your last statement really makes you sound like you think you have no responsibility to monitor yourself because you put others on an ignore list. I don't think that's necessarily what you truly mean, but that's how it came across to me.


I left this place for about a year and nothing has changed except Pete's tolerance for BS which seems to have grown but also seems to be rapidly dwindling.


Uh, no. It means that it will stop me from engaging with those people and getting frustrated with their posts as Pete alluded to earlier. I know I was/is a dick on here, which is why I've never gotten offended by people calling me one.

And welcome back man, now if only Nootch posts more.



No, I get that. I had 101 on ignore for a long time when we would get into Political discussions. It is a good deterrent, if only people would use it more often.

Thanks - I know Nootch is around but under a different handle. I would disclose it, but he knows BJJ and would likely throttle me into the dirt.




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QUOTE(Greatone @ May 8 2012, 03:17 PM) *
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QUOTE(Greatone @ May 8 2012, 04:01 PM) *
I already put a list of people on ignore last night when I came here to celebrate the miracle win and heard complaints about ice time and how we could lose the series. At least that's me doing my part.


Just because someone, anyone, puts people on ignore, does not excuse them from making shitty comments. Your last statement really makes you sound like you think you have no responsibility to monitor yourself because you put others on an ignore list. I don't think that's necessarily what you truly mean, but that's how it came across to me.


I left this place for about a year and nothing has changed except Pete's tolerance for BS which seems to have grown but also seems to be rapidly dwindling.


Uh, no. It means that it will stop me from engaging with those people and getting frustrated with their posts as Pete alluded to earlier. I know I was/is a dick on here, which is why I've never gotten offended by people calling me one.

And welcome back man, now if only Nootch posts more.

Yea, um...

I know we haven't seen eye to eye on pretty much anything, but I just want to say I am sorry I make such retarded posts on a regular basis. It is not my intention to be an annoying bastard. Just kinda... my personality. So yeah, sorry.


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QUOTE(Mike B. @ May 8 2012, 04:18 PM) *
Ok, let's not turn this into an extension of that discussion - I don't think anyone wants to sit here and argue about the way they argued in the other forum. It's way too meta, and it's tiring. We also already have a thread on it in AG.

Everyone. Ice cream. Now.

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Sorry if I exacerbated the situation - mostly I was goofing on myself for getting so down before the goal last night.

Does this ice cream parlor have Magic Shell?


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QUOTE(Sed @ May 8 2012, 04:29 PM) *
Sorry if I exacerbated the situation - mostly I was goofing on myself for getting so down before the goal last night.

Does this ice cream parlor have Magic Shell?


Claudia and I have been craving Choco Tacos after seeing them so much in commercials recently but she didn't see 'em when grocery shopping over the weekend. They have magic shell on 'em, too. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I assume they will feel like biting into a heavenly cloud.


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Choco Tacos are the shit.

Also, if this ice cream parlor is like the DQ where I worked in '89, we can hang in the walk-in freezer and do whip-its off of the nitrous tanks.


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QUOTE(Rocha @ May 8 2012, 04:38 PM) *
QUOTE(Sed @ May 8 2012, 04:29 PM) *
Sorry if I exacerbated the situation - mostly I was goofing on myself for getting so down before the goal last night.

Does this ice cream parlor have Magic Shell?


Claudia and I have been craving Choco Tacos since seeing them so much in commercials recently but she didn't see 'em when grocery shopping over the weekend. They have magic shell on 'em, too. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I assume they will feel like biting into a heavenly cloud.


My guy worked in a ice cream parlor as a teen and told me that, as delicious as it is, you don't want to see magic shell in its original form/prior to heating. It's a bag of lard with chocolate mixed in.


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Also, if this ice cream parlor is like the DQ where I worked in '89, we can hang in the walk-in freezer and do whip-its off of the nitrous tanks.


If we had this in my office, I would be a drooling vegetable at this point.


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Sorry if I exacerbated the situation - mostly I was goofing on myself for getting so down before the goal last night.

Does this ice cream parlor have Magic Shell?


Claudia and I have been craving Choco Tacos since seeing them so much in commercials recently but she didn't see 'em when grocery shopping over the weekend. They have magic shell on 'em, too. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I assume they will feel like biting into a heavenly cloud.


My guy worked in a ice cream parlor as a teen and told me that, as delicious as it is, you don't want to see magic shell in its original form/prior to heating. It's a bag of lard with chocolate mixed in.


WHAT? Lard? Not just lard, but bag of lard?! Oh my. This feels like when I learned the truth about Santa Claus. emo.gif


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Sorry if I exacerbated the situation - mostly I was goofing on myself for getting so down before the goal last night.

Does this ice cream parlor have Magic Shell?


Claudia and I have been craving Choco Tacos since seeing them so much in commercials recently but she didn't see 'em when grocery shopping over the weekend. They have magic shell on 'em, too. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I assume they will feel like biting into a heavenly cloud.


My guy worked in a ice cream parlor as a teen and told me that, as delicious as it is, you don't want to see magic shell in its original form/prior to heating. It's a bag of lard with chocolate mixed in.


WHAT? Lard? Not just lard, but bag of lard?! Oh my. This feels like when I learned the truth about Santa Claus. emo.gif


I haven't had magic shell since. sad.gif


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QUOTE(Sed @ May 8 2012, 04:40 PM) *
Choco Tacos are the shit.

Also, if this ice cream parlor is like the DQ where I worked in '89, we can hang in the walk-in freezer and do whip-its off of the nitrous tanks.


I did whip its at a party once. Never again. I've been high on a few things in my life, never have I felt more disconnected from reality, even if it was only for less than a minute.


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Everyone. Ice cream. Now.


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QUOTE(SorryaboutthatWhoa @ May 8 2012, 03:58 PM) *
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Everyone. Ice cream. Now.


I'm lactose intolerant you son of a bitch!

They make pills for that!


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Alright, good stuff everyone. JK, it would be cool if you could say a few words as well since you're frequently in the middle of things.

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Just like most budget food establishments, if I told you the straight shit you'd never go to DQ again.

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I didn't even notice that it was closed!

I was in a pissy mood after Game 4's loss, especially to greatone (i apologized to him via PM). But i was just angry after that game and that's that.... move on.

Overall.... i've learned just to get over things. Someone jabs me, i'll jab back and then if that continues i just let it go. Most of us on here have known each other since the Hockeybird.com days. I think Pete and i quite disliked each other back then too. But now we're old farts. It's like, you reach a certain stage that you have the "behh fuck it" attitude. I guess we matured? And Pete, i made these sorts of points to you a while back. You know what i am talking about.

Aside from some bumps in political threads, i've been back in there for some time and so far not a single significant problem. Just some turbulence at times, and that is bound to happen....it's politics. But it's gotten to a point where there are more pleasant posts to reply to than idiotic ones.

The Rangers thread has been full of arrogance and just....stupid...immature silliness. I mean, take off the internet aspect and are people on here really going to go around MSG correcting fans and disagreeing with them and feeling more knowledgeable than them?

So what if someone posts something that is wrong or just inane. No reason to taunt that person and make him/her feel stupid. Just hit a normal reply.

Sometimes it feels like we need those lame "Teens for Teens!" groups that go to schools and have the dumbest presentations with idiotic skits and are disturbingly cheerful and phony, to come here and tell us how we should behave. YAY! Be more POSITIVE!!!! Be cool! Stay in school!

We should be passed that garbage. Enough.

I had my self exiles from this place. It sucks. You end up missing the fun stuff and the cool stuff as well. Trust me. IT SUCKS if this place gets shut down.

Let's just cheer this team as a cool group of Rangers fans already.


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I could use some after tonight.


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The shit in there today is why I would never go in there. Today, I make one comment about Backstrom hitting the crossbar and I get corrected because of how important it is and must be notated that Lundquist got a piece of the shot that caused it to hit the crossbar.

If you shut it down Pete, I wouldn't blame you in the least bit.


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The shit in there today is why I would never go in there. Today, I make one comment about Backstrom hitting the crossbar and I get corrected because of how important it is and must be notated that Lundquist got a piece of the shot that caused it to hit the crossbar.

If you shut it down Pete, I wouldn't blame you in the least bit.


It's your avatar.



Could you define 'It's' in your statement above?


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Could you define 'It's' in your statement above?


I'm going to go with "it is." wink.gif


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Heh, I know I'm late to the party, but Pete, you have/had my support as well. I rarely participate anymore because, frankly, the threads degenerate into sniping fests.
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Heh, I know I'm late to the party, but Pete, you have/had my support as well. I rarely participate anymore because, frankly, the threads degenerate into sniping fests.



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