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[blueshirt95]

Random News:

Cunneyworth fired as assistant coach of Habs (thought it was publicly said he would stay on)
Potential Coyotes buyer Jameison having trouble raising money (did somebody say Quebec City?)

[Nilan 666]

So now who buys Phoenix, John Spano?

[TeamStewie]

I'm saving up my Coke rewards points. I'll have enough soon.

[Sed]

I'm saving up my Coke rewards points. I'll have enough soon.

I was going to use these Marlboro Miles to get the inflatable canoe, but if the 'Yotes are still on the board...

[xcdudesquadloves...]

Can we be like that annoying town in the London 2012 commercial and have all of Rangerland buy the Yotes?

[Sed]

Can I use these Food Stamps for that purpose?

[jkman61494]

So the Phoenix thing is going down the tubes again?

What a cruel twist of fate that they finally achieve success and go into an offseason in which they think there is normalcy only to now have the rug pulled from under them.

Thank god they didn't win it all. Would have been embarrassing and awkward to see a Stanley Cup banner potentially go up in another city.

[TeamStewie]

PLEASE let this happen. I want to see Pittsburgh cap fucked into eternity when he gets that inevitable next big one.

Report: Crosby might end up with 10-year deal worth $9 million annually
Ryan Dadoun Jun 9, 2012, 10:22 PM EDT
16 Comments

AP
According to Hockey Night in Canada’s Elliotte Friedman, Sidney Crosby might end up with a 10-year contract extension from the Pittsburgh Penguins.

The team isn’t allowed to negotiate with Crosby until July 1, but it might not take much longer than that for the two to agree on money and term.

Crosby can essentially name his own price, but in the interest of not crippling the Pens financially, he’ll probably end up with an annual cap hit of about $9 million.

That would be only a mild increase over his current $8,700,000 million cap hit, so by itself, it wouldn’t cause the Penguins to significantly shake up their team. The problem is that Jordan Staal‘s contract will expire in the summer of 2013 and Staal is expected demand a significant raise — one that might result in the Penguins trading him.

There’s no question that a healthy Crosby is worth that kind of money, but given his recent concussion history, inking him to a long-term contract is a gamble. Still, for one of the best players in the world, it’s a risk worth taking.

[jkman61494]

Where was this news about the Phoenix ownership issues? From all I've seen the deal is all but done.

Also, there are murmurs of Carolina going hard after Staal for obvious reasons. With that little blurb, it would seem trading him may have to happen.

[Knight of Dight]

Where was this news about the Phoenix ownership issues? From all I've seen the deal is all but done.

Also, there are murmurs of Carolina going hard after Staal for obvious reasons. With that little blurb, it would seem trading him may have to happen.

Dubinsky, Boyle, Del Zotto, and a 1st for Eric Staal.

Make it happen, Slats.

[Alitaki]

PLEASE let this happen. I want to see Pittsburgh cap fucked into eternity when he gets that inevitable next big one.

I don't understand. Why would they be cap fucked if Crosby goes out with another concussion? He's under 35 and injury related retirements don't negatively effect the cap. Plus there's LTIR so they can spend money to replace him if they need to.

[TeamStewie]

There have to be some consequences I think or else the Bruins would've put Savard on LTIR a long time ago.

[Knight of Dight]

PLEASE let this happen. I want to see Pittsburgh cap fucked into eternity when he gets that inevitable next big one.

I don't understand. Why would they be cap fucked if Crosby goes out with another concussion? He's under 35 and injury related retirements don't negatively effect the cap. Plus there's LTIR so they can spend money to replace him if they need to.

Just look at DiPietro.

[Greatone]

There have to be some consequences I think or else the Bruins would've put Savard on LTIR a long time ago.

They have. But if I remember correctly he gets taken off every off-season, thus his cap hit counts against the summer cap, until training camp/regular season when he needs to clear NHL evaluation to be placed on LTIR again.

[TeamStewie]

I don't think the Isles are too worried about DiPi taking up cap space. They still have Yashin getting paid with plenty of room to spare.

There's also the fact though that who knows what the cap will be set at next year. With people like Staal and Orpik and Letang coming up for contracts soon, things will get interesting.

[jkman61494]

By the way, we are talking about how high the ceiling is going to be.

But as another sign of how the lockout really did nothing, I read on ESPN by LeBrun the cap FLOOR will be $54 million?

So if that were true, the cap floor will be higher next year than the cap ceiling of 2005-06?! The Isles would have to have a team salary roughly $34 million higher?

I know the NHL is doing better with their revenues, but this just seems zany.

[TeamStewie]

On the bright side maybe they'd take Redden off our hands to help them stay above the cap floor

[Nilan 666]

Where was this news about the Phoenix ownership issues? From all I've seen the deal is all but done.

Also, there are murmurs of Carolina going hard after Staal for obvious reasons. With that little blurb, it would seem trading him may have to happen.

Dubinsky, Boyle, Del Zotto, and a 1st for Eric Staal.

Make it happen, Slats.

82 games of pierogies and bad tipping, dear god no.

[Kusand]

Where was this news about the Phoenix ownership issues? From all I've seen the deal is all but done.

Also, there are murmurs of Carolina going hard after Staal for obvious reasons. With that little blurb, it would seem trading him may have to happen.

Dubinsky, Boyle, Del Zotto, and a 1st for Eric Staal.

Make it happen, Slats.

Eric, or Jordan?

[Hockey101]

PLEASE let this happen. I want to see Pittsburgh cap fucked into eternity when he gets that inevitable next big one.

Report: Crosby might end up with 10-year deal worth $9 million annually
Ryan Dadoun Jun 9, 2012, 10:22 PM EDT
16 Comments

AP
According to Hockey Night in Canada’s Elliotte Friedman, Sidney Crosby might end up with a 10-year contract extension from the Pittsburgh Penguins.

The team isn’t allowed to negotiate with Crosby until July 1, but it might not take much longer than that for the two to agree on money and term.

Crosby can essentially name his own price, but in the interest of not crippling the Pens financially, he’ll probably end up with an annual cap hit of about $9 million.

That would be only a mild increase over his current $8,700,000 million cap hit, so by itself, it wouldn’t cause the Penguins to significantly shake up their team. The problem is that Jordan Staal‘s contract will expire in the summer of 2013 and Staal is expected demand a significant raise — one that might result in the Penguins trading him.

There’s no question that a healthy Crosby is worth that kind of money, but given his recent concussion history, inking him to a long-term contract is a gamble. Still, for one of the best players in the world, it’s a risk worth taking.

I'm with you, but i don't think it will happen. Crosby wants to win and he knows he can't cap fuck his own team to do it.

[Alitaki]

There have to be some consequences I think or else the Bruins would've put Savard on LTIR a long time ago.

They have. But if I remember correctly he gets taken off every off-season, thus his cap hit counts against the summer cap, until training camp/regular season when he needs to clear NHL evaluation to be placed on LTIR again.

Correct. Everyone counts during the summer cap, which is stupid that it even exists, because all that matters is being under the regular cap by the time the season starts. For example, Redden counts against our summer cap but when's assigned to Hartford prior to the start of the season he comes off the Rangers cap.

EDIT: and besides, if his injury is career ending, he can retire and the cap hit comes off completely. It'll only stay on if he's over 35 when he signs the contract.

This post has been edited by Alitaki: Jun 10 2012, 07:12 PM

[Mike18]

EDIT: and besides, if his injury is career ending, he can retire and the cap hit comes off completely. It'll only stay on if he's over 35 when he signs the contract.

If an injury is career ending and he retires officially, I think he stops getting paid. If he doesn't retire, the checks keep rolling in. Cap hit or not, he'll continue to collect a paycheck if he gets hurt.

[jkman61494]

There's probably other writing into a contract as well. I read a story in ESPN mag about a number of baseball players are still getting paid well into retirement. The biggest case of this was Bobby Bonilla who still gets millions every year from the Mets for something like the next 40 years.

My guess is even if Crosby hit the ice next October and sustained a career ending injury, that there would be a way to pay him a decent wage for many many years to come.

[Nilan 666]

Insurance baby, insurance.

[Eric]

He could retire and the Penguins could hire him as a coach or some other position with the club and pay him as much as they want.

[Alitaki]

EDIT: and besides, if his injury is career ending, he can retire and the cap hit comes off completely. It'll only stay on if he's over 35 when he signs the contract.

If an injury is career ending and he retires officially, I think he stops getting paid. If he doesn't retire, the checks keep rolling in. Cap hit or not, he'll continue to collect a paycheck if he gets hurt.

I would imagine there's a disability clause in the SPC so that a player forced to retire from injury gets something from the remaining contract.

[Charlie]

Puck Daddy just retweeted a report that the NHL shut down Chris Kelly's deal with the Bruins.

[blueshirt95]

Puck Daddy just retweeted a report that the NHL shut down Chris Kelly's deal with the Bruins.

For what reason? Major front-loading?

[TeamStewie]

From what I heard it's just a cap thing. They can probably just make it official in July.

[blueshirt95]

Perry Pearn (remember him?) is now an assistant for the Jets

[Nilan 666]

Jets powerplay is going to be a problem next year.

[Charlie]

Lightning traded for Lindback. Two seconds and a third next year. Stiff price.

[xcdudesquadloves...]

Tampa wants a goalie. Problem is he hasn't had a full starters load and was VERY inconsistent last semester.

[Kusand]

Tampa wants a goalie. Problem is he hasn't had a full starters load and was VERY inconsistent last semester.

When is he scheduled to graduate? Is he majoring in Butterfly Studies?

This post has been edited by Kusand: Jun 15 2012, 08:10 PM

[xcdudesquadloves...]

Tampa wants a goalie. Problem is he hasn't had a full starters load and was VERY inconsistent last semester.

When is he scheduled to graduate? Is he majoring in Butterfly Studies?

Shouldn't look at classes while posting on Rangerland. Noted.

[Hockey101]

@ Kus's post.

It's a good trade for Tampa. Giving up two second rounders is a steep price, but goaltending options are not plenty and Yzerman had to address this necessity. I think the risk is that he could be a solid 55 game goalie with 25..28 wins or so, but time will tell. I never expected the Bolts to look into Luongo. That contract is too expensive for them. It's a worthwhile risk for Yzerman. He has nothing to lose unless, and if so until, the two second rounders are actually very solid NHL'ers that become more valuable that Lindback.

[Kusand]

Not seeing what Lindback brings to the table. Pedestrian numbers in limited playing time. Doesn't seem worth the haul.

[Nilan 666]

Pedestrian numbers from their goalies would have gotten them into the playoffs last year, Roloson was terrible last year.

[Hockey101]

Pedestrian numbers from their goalies would have gotten them into the playoffs last year, Roloson was terrible last year.

Possible, not a certainty though. At times the Bolts just lacked character and passion to win.

But, it's better than going into next season with the same tandem. Tampa's options were limited for goaltending. Lindback at least is someone who they can work with and see more down the road. I think Yzerman will get this one right. Good solid goalie.

[Kusand]

Pedestrian numbers from their goalies would have gotten them into the playoffs last year, Roloson was terrible last year.

Possible, not a certainty though. At times the Bolts just lacked character and passion to win.

Where do you get this character/passion stuff from? I really don't see the point in assigning blame to character stuff when the facts are that the Lightning had the #9 offense and the #30 defense. Honestly, Nilan's pretty close - a pedestrian .910 save percentage would have saved 45 goals against, and that's a big deal. They're still an even GD team in the best case scenario, but that's enormous.

But, it's better than going into next season with the same tandem. Tampa's options were limited for goaltending. Lindback at least is someone who they can work with and see more down the road. I think Yzerman will get this one right. Good solid goalie.

I think he'll probably be average at best, but that's just speculation based on 40 games. I'd candy bet against him being particularly good.

This post has been edited by Kusand: Jun 16 2012, 12:34 AM

[xcdudesquadloves...]

I be with Kusand on this one.

[toph]

I'd candy bet against him being good for the Lightning because their defense sucks asssssssssss.

[the old mole]

Tampa wants a goalie. Problem is he hasn't had a full starters load and was VERY inconsistent last semester.

When is he scheduled to graduate? Is he majoring in Butterfly Studies?

He's got a 4.0 GPA. Unfortunately that's also his GAA.

[jkman61494]

Pedestrian numbers from their goalies would have gotten them into the playoffs last year, Roloson was terrible last year.

Possible, not a certainty though. At times the Bolts just lacked character and passion to win.

But, it's better than going into next season with the same tandem. Tampa's options were limited for goaltending. Lindback at least is someone who they can work with and see more down the road. I think Yzerman will get this one right. Good solid goalie.

I agree. I like the move a lot. Guy has big size and was considered one of the best backups in the league. I also don't think they gave up that much for him either. Additionally if he struggles, another team will take a flyer on him. You can't teach size.

If Tampa can't do it, some other team will think they know how to make him a dominant goalie

[Hockey101]

Pedestrian numbers from their goalies would have gotten them into the playoffs last year, Roloson was terrible last year.

Possible, not a certainty though. At times the Bolts just lacked character and passion to win.

Where do you get this character/passion stuff from? I really don't see the point in assigning blame to character stuff when the facts are that the Lightning had the #9 offense and the #30 defense. Honestly, Nilan's pretty close - a pedestrian .910 save percentage would have saved 45 goals against, and that's a big deal. They're still an even GD team in the best case scenario, but that's enormous.

But, it's better than going into next season with the same tandem. Tampa's options were limited for goaltending. Lindback at least is someone who they can work with and see more down the road. I think Yzerman will get this one right. Good solid goalie.

I think he'll probably be average at best, but that's just speculation based on 40 games. I'd candy bet against him being particularly good.

I got to watch a lot of Tampa games. Yes, the goaltending sucked but the defense was also quite bad and the team just had some meltdowns at times.

[Kusand]

I got to watch a lot of Tampa games. Yes, the goaltending sucked but the defense was also quite bad and the team just had some meltdowns at times.

Seems pretty reasonable to say they melted down because the defense was quite bad and the goaltending sucked, not because of their character and passion.

[Hockey101]

I got to watch a lot of Tampa games. Yes, the goaltending sucked but the defense was also quite bad and the team just had some meltdowns at times.

Seems pretty reasonable to say they melted down because the defense was quite bad and the goaltending sucked, not because of their character and passion.

Ehhh..... sometimes they did not even try though. You should see how pissed off the coach gets. He looks like he wants to kill you. Sometimes they depended too much on Stamkos. They took a lot of bad, lazy penalties.

A good goaltender may have gotten them closer to the playoffs, but it was also a team issue, not just a goaltending one.

[Dr. D]

I got to watch a lot of Tampa games. Yes, the goaltending sucked but the defense was also quite bad and the team just had some meltdowns at times.

Seems pretty reasonable to say they melted down because the defense was quite bad and the goaltending sucked, not because of their character and passion.

Ehhh..... sometimes they did not even try though. You should see how pissed off the coach gets. He looks like he wants to kill you. Sometimes they depended too much on Stamkos. They took a lot of bad, lazy penalties.

A good goaltender may have gotten them closer to the playoffs, but it was also a team issue, not just a goaltending one.

How do you know that they didn't even try? Did you call them up and ask if they were giving their best effort every night? Their defensemen were probably trying very hard, but were just not very good. A lack of skill can also lead to bad penalties being taken. Also, a coach on a team that's losing being pissed? How out of the ordinary.

You can spin your narrative however you want, but unless there is some kind of report where the coach or someone in management calls out the team for not trying, I'm gonna go ahead and pin their lack of success on bad defense and goaltending.

[jkman61494]

Well, the Phoenix soap opera is apparently not stopping. Even a week ago it sounded like it was all but a done deal, but the whole Goldwater stuff (which shouldn't have come as a surprise) is creating the latest round of doomsday articles.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8069578/...otes-mess-again

The city of Glendale has committed $25 million in public funds to the NHL to offset operating costs over the past two seasons while a new owner was being sought, thus delaying a potential relocation of the team.

The city has declined to commit such monies for the coming season, but because it has committed monies to go to management of the arena with the Jamison bid, the question becomes whether the league could access that money should it continue to operate the team in the absence of a deal with Jamison (or anyone else, for that matter).
It's unknown whether the city would agree to that, given that the original allocation was based on a 20-year lease with Jamison and not just a one-year stopgap expenditure as has been the case the past two years.

It's unlikely the NHL owners will greet paying more out of their own pockets to sustain this team for another season without any softening of the blow from the city with much enthusiasm. Similarly, it's hard to imagine Glendale ponying up another $25 million if for some reason the league isn't able to access the management fee to keep the team in town for one more year.

If that kind of standoff presents itself, it might prove to be the tipping point in having the league finally pull the pin and move quickly to relocate the team for the start of the 2012-13 season.

[leedsy99]

Well, the Phoenix soap opera is apparently not stopping. Even a week ago it sounded like it was all but a done deal, but the whole Goldwater stuff (which shouldn't have come as a surprise) is creating the latest round of doomsday articles.

Meanwhile, there is still no remedy in place against Gary Bettman's assurance about the future of hockey in Phoenix while the team was on a postseason run. Let's see. The Coyotes get additional revenue from the postseason. The NHL announced a very promising deal in the middle of an exciting postseason for the Coyotes, thus (arguably) drawing even more attention to the team and (arguably) capitalizing with even further postseason revenue. Of course, this announcement was highly premature, because the potential buyer lacked the finances to make his purchase. Oh by the way, the Phoenix Coyotes are owned and funded by the league. And oh by the way, expansion into this market was the brainchild of the current commissioner, who continues to squander money to support a dying idea.

Don't people get arrested for this stuff? If I'm the CEO of a company and I make fradulent public statements in order to manipulate the worth of my company, didn't I break the law? Meanwhile, how hard is it to run a background check on someone before they buy a sports franchise?