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[Dr. D]

Maybe it's just that I'm bored and it's 1am and I'm watching History Channel, but what is all this crap about Nostradamus being a great prophet? I could write little vague poems and draw cute little pictures and let people analyze them and make them fit into the context of whatever world event happens.

"This is an eagle flying in the stars...NOSTRADAMUS PREDICTED THE HOLOCAUST!"

This guy wrote countless quatrains and drew a ton of pictures and the people that get PAID to analyze his work come up with their own "symbolism" and use it to say Nostradamus "predicted" something that happened 400 years later. What a load of baloney.

This is the same bullshit as the Mayan calendar. "OMG. THE WORLD'S GOING TO END IN 2012! THE MAYANS PREDICTED IT!" Yeah. If the Mayans were such great foreseers, they would have seen the Spanish coming to totally fuck their society. There have been several polar shifts before and the world hasn't come to an end.

This is a pretty much silly and pointless topic, I guess. I understand if you guys lose a lot of respect for me.

[gkrangers]

Did he predict the Giants going to the Super Bowl?

[ThunderDawg]

All Prior World-ending predictions were based on some numerological configuration of the day/date, but the Mayan calendar is predictive of when our Solar system crosses the Galactic Equator, which may, or may not, change the direction in which the Earth rotates, and everything subordinate to that, which IS everything we know and are accustomed to. Since no living Scientist has experience with this exact phenomenon, no one can accurately predict the exact outcome of this event. But it is expected to be the epitome of an Earth-shattering event.

I know there are a lot of attorneys and legal minds here, so you should be familiar with the phrase: "Govern yourself accordingly".

This post has been edited by ThunderDawg: Jan 21 2008, 06:21 AM

[gkrangers]

I think we're all fucked once the Earth's poles reverse. That's gonna be weird.

[Dr. D]

There's a goddamn national club of people who just talk about Nostradamus and his stupid poems and cartoons. Here's an idea: instead of waiting for this jackass' prediction to come true, why not GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL IN THE WORLD.

This shitnose on TV is saying that Napoleon's three Antichrists are Napoleon, Hitler, and bin Laden. GRRRRRRRR!!!

Putting aside that this shit is all untrue, it's kind of interesting. The History Channel gets me through the day when I feel disappointed about the Rangers.

[Rocha]

I agree the Nostradamus stuff is crap, however...

This is the same bullshit as the Mayan calendar. "OMG. THE WORLD'S GOING TO END IN 2012! THE MAYANS PREDICTED IT!" Yeah. If the Mayans were such great foreseers, they would have seen the Spanish coming to totally fuck their society.

They did predict invaders.

And as far as the poles shifting before and "the world wasn't destroyed then," well, what did you think would happen? It would crumble into rubble? Sudden shifts in the poles would likely cause some serious backlash on our volatile planet full of oceans and tectonic plates and volcanoes and shits.

I don't necessarily believe in the 2012 stuff, but if you look into it, it's a lot less far fetched than all the other doomsday and visionary stuff.

[ThunderDawg]

This is the same bullshit as the Mayan calendar. "OMG. THE WORLD'S GOING TO END IN 2012! THE MAYANS PREDICTED IT!" Yeah. If the Mayans were such great foreseers, they would have seen the Spanish coming to totally fuck their society. There have been several polar shifts before and the world hasn't come to an end.

This is a pretty much silly and pointless topic, I guess. I understand if you guys lose a lot of respect for me.

I remember in Science classes, in the olden days, they said that polar shifts do occur about every hundred thousand years. We now know it is more like every 13,000~ish years. NO human has any experience witnessing it and recording it for posterity. And the Mayans were far more expert in their calculations - they knew more than we now know on this subject. But don't fool yourself. Observing the Galaxy and predicting human events are not the same thing.

[Nilan 666]

Die with your boots on.

[Rick91981]

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This is a pretty much silly and pointless topic, I guess. I understand if you guys lose a lot of respect for me.

you're assuming we had any to begin with!

[CardsFan]

On our honeymoon we went down to the Riveria Maya. Neat stuff. Chichen Itza, the site that has the temple that just became one of the new seven wonders of the world.

If I remember correctly, the only clock/calendar system more accurate than the Mayan's is the atomic clock.

Also, their society was already crumbling when the Spaniards came, for about 200 years, perhaps due to drought.

[Andy from the LE...]

Die with your boots on.

Thank you. Mr. Steven Harris wrote it best:

Another prophet of disaster
Who says the ship is lost
Another prophet of disaster
Leaving you to count the cost
Taunting us with visions
Afflicting us with fear
Predicting war for millions
In the hope that one appears

No point asking when it is
No point asking whos to go
No point asking whats the game
No point asking whos to blame
cos if youre gonna die, if youre gonna die
cos if youre gonna die, if youre gonna die

If youre gonna die, die with your boots on
If youre gonna try, just stick around
Gonna cry, just move along
If youre gonna die, youre gonna die

[Sed]

Just remember to adjust your sundial for Olmec Saving Time.

[steamroller]

Instead of amking this thread, why not GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL IN THE WORLD.

[RedHerring]

Where are those kids from Legends of the Hidden Temple to save us? As long as the Shrine of the Silver Monkey takes no part in this apocalypse, I think I'll be okay.

[Kusand]

Instead of amking this thread, why not GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL IN THE WORLD.

On that note, why were you writing this post when you could have been saving orphans?

[Nilan 666]

Thank you. Mr. Steven Harris wrote it best:

Another prophet of disaster
Who says the ship is lost
Another prophet of disaster
Leaving you to count the cost
Taunting us with visions
Afflicting us with fear
Predicting war for millions
In the hope that one appears

No point asking when it is
No point asking whos to go
No point asking whats the game
No point asking whos to blame
cos if youre gonna die, if youre gonna die
cos if youre gonna die, if youre gonna die

If youre gonna die, die with your boots on
If youre gonna try, just stick around
Gonna cry, just move along
If youre gonna die, youre gonna die

I remembered you doing this in another thread, so I figured I'd set you up for the tap-in.

[LadyJaye]

On our honeymoon we went down to the Riveria Maya. Neat stuff. Chichen Itza, the site that has the temple that just became one of the new seven wonders of the world.

If I remember correctly, the only clock/calendar system more accurate than the Mayan's is the atomic clock.

Also, their society was already crumbling when the Spaniards came, for about 200 years, perhaps due to drought.

I could be wrong, but I thought that the system of Mayan culture at that point led to its demise. Weren't they a series of client kings, as opposed to one central ruler? There was a tremendous amount of competition between feudal leaders for people to rule over, and subsequently, they fought a lot. ( Something about Triple A self aggrandizers as a psychological type - hording, warring, and comsuming )

Although I could imagine that a severe drought would definitely do a culture in tuit suite.

[Puckforbrains]

Well , you can all find out tonight what the world will be like after people , on the History channel at 8 , I think.

[Bleedin-Blue]

That looks like a pretty cool program actually. Then again, the History Channel doesn't put out bad shows. That's the one channel that I could watch 24-7 and never get tired of it.

[Andy from the LE...]

I remembered you doing this in another thread, so I figured I'd set you up for the tap-in.

Danke.

[TheAnaconda]

This is the same bullshit as the Mayan calendar. "OMG. THE WORLD'S GOING TO END IN 2012! THE MAYANS PREDICTED IT!" Yeah. If the Mayans were such great foreseers, they would have seen the Spanish coming to totally fuck their society. There have been several polar shifts before and the world hasn't come to an end.

Actually, the Mayans did predict the white man coming. They actually predicted the exact date correctly too. They also correctly predicted solar eclipses thousands of years in the future.


And the Mayan are only one of about 5 different prophecies from different time periods and cultures that predict the world will end around 12/21/12, which just so happens to be when the Earth will be in exact alignment between the sun and some other strong gravitational force that I can't recall, and many monder scientists believe something WILL happen, they just don't know how quickly.

[Sed]

And the Mayan are only one of about 5 different prophecies from different time periods and cultures that predict the world will end around 12/21/12, which just so happens to be when the Earth will be in exact alignment between the sun and some other strong gravitational force that I can't recall, and many monder scientists believe something WILL happen, they just don't know how quickly.

The Hanna-Barberians were off by about 18 years.

[TheAnaconda]

The Hanna-Barberians were off by about 18 years.

See, even old He-Man rip-offs predict it!

[Dr. D]

Where are those kids from Legends of the Hidden Temple to save us? As long as the Shrine of the Silver Monkey takes no part in this apocalypse, I think I'll be okay.

I have a Green Monkeys shirt. All of my friends are jealous.

Did anyone else think those "Temple Guards" were just there to molest the kids?

[TheAnaconda]

Did anyone else think those "Temple Guards" were just there to molest the kids?

Did anyone think they weren't?

[ThunderDawg]

I can't recall, and many monder scientists believe something WILL happen, they just don't know how quickly.

On 12--21-12 the Solar System and Earth will pass through the Galactic Equator, which may cause the planet(s) to spin in the opposite
direction and will switch poles. What we cannot know for sure is if the change is sudden or gradual, and either way could be disastrous.

[Andy from the LE...]

Well, if they predicted the coming of the whtie man, obviously they weren't smart enought to predict how to fight him.

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if these "predictions" were little more than mere vagueries, subject to our modern intepretations.

I remember the exact same shit said about Y2K, 1992, 1994, 1998, 2001, etc.

And again, I call BS.

[ThunderDawg]

It's not the same as a belief, which is entirely subjective. It is a Science that will be proven.


ah well, I say, if you die broke, your timing was perfect.

This post has been edited by ThunderDawg: Jan 22 2008, 02:07 AM

[Rocha]

Well, if they predicted the coming of the whtie man, obviously they weren't smart enought to predict how to fight him.

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if these "predictions" were little more than mere vagueries, subject to our modern intepretations.

I remember the exact same shit said about Y2K, 1992, 1994, 1998, 2001, etc.

And again, I call BS.

Andy, how about you spend even 15 minutes reading about something before attempting to debunk it? You sound like a drunk old man in a bar. You have no knowledge on this subject yet you easily dismiss it. That should be setting off some warning bells in your head.

[Andy from the LE...]

It's not the same as a belief, which is entirely subjective. It is a Science that will be proven.
ah well, I say, if you die broke, your timing was perfect.

See, I don't think it's scientific. Astronomers have generally not accepted this is actual, provable, testable fact.

[Andy from the LE...]

Andy, how about you spend even 15 minutes reading about something before attempting to debunk it? You sound like a drunk old man in a bar. You have no knowledge on this subject yet you easily dismiss it. That should be setting off some warning bells in your head.

I don't? Ever since you started that other thread, I've been doing my fair share of research. Have you been to my house? Scanned my computer files? Didn't think so.

Nice Ad Hominem description, though.

[Rick91981]

Have you been to my house? Scanned my computer files? Didn't think so.

You don't have to be at someones house to gain access to their computer.

[Rocha]

I don't? Ever since you started that other thread, I've been doing my fair share of research. Have you been to my house? Scanned my computer files? Didn't think so.

Nice Ad Hominem description, though.

Then why didn't you use any of your research when dismissing it? Go ahead. I'd like to know what you've seen.

[Andy from the LE...]

You don't have to be at someones house to gain access to their computer.

I'm aware of that.

BTW, one forum debunking this garbage:

http://www.bautforum.com/against-mainstrea...-debunking.html

[steamroller]

On that note, why were you writing this post when you could have been saving orphans?

I hate children?

[ThunderDawg]

Nice Ad Hominem description, though.

If you refuse to agree with me, I will impugn your genitalia.

Plus, Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

[TheAnaconda]

I'm aware of that.

BTW, one forum debunking this garbage:

http://www.bautforum.com/against-mainstrea...-debunking.html

The whole thread just trys to debunk the Mayan calendar. Like a bunch of know-it-all teenagers saying this is BS because "Y2K was BS too"

Not one person in that thread talked about SCIENTIFICALLY BACKED information about the earth crossing the Galactic Equator and pole shifting. One person did actually. They said it was "nonsense." No reason given however.

EDIT: The last link at the bottom mentions it, but he doesn't debunk it. He simply states it lasts years, not a day, and that calculations vary. He says according to some sources, we reached that spot in 1999. Well, global warming is going up, we've had some crazy violent storms and weather, who's to say this isn't the small beginnings of the pole shift?

This post has been edited by TheAnaconda: Jan 22 2008, 02:48 AM

[ThunderDawg]

Astronomers have generally not accepted this is actual, provable, testable fact.

It doesn't happen often enough for absolute proof. It's not an experiment that can be infinitely reproduced. It's a Celestial phenomenon.

[CardsFan]

I could be wrong, but I thought that the system of Mayan culture at that point led to its demise. Weren't they a series of client kings, as opposed to one central ruler? There was a tremendous amount of competition between feudal leaders for people to rule over, and subsequently, they fought a lot. ( Something about Triple A self aggrandizers as a psychological type - hording, warring, and comsuming )

Although I could imagine that a severe drought would definitely do a culture in tuit suite.

I guess the history was all written down to great detail in thousands of books. Problem is that only 3 1/2 survive, because the Spaniards destroyed them because of symbols they thought were symbolic.

I'm sure it wasn't just a drought that wiped them out, but could have been the straw so to speak.

There are almost no rivers or above ground water on the Yucatan peninsula, it sits on limestone, so you get huge sinkholes and a high water table but not much in the way of irrigation possibilities.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

I was having some fun over at Rodent's with this awhile ago, I even posted the videos from the discovery channel and stated I saw them here first, but Rodent happens to be a pretty knowledgeable guy when it comes to all things celestial, etc etc and he had a field day with this:

This is hysterical! It makes so many mistakes, it's beyond being irritating. It's outright comedy.

"The Mayan calendar is even more accurate than ours"

Yes. Their ancient grasp of leap-seconds boggles the mind.... not. What they knew about was something called The Saros Cycle. They understood lunar and solar eclipse periodicity such that they could indeed make predictions accurate to within two days. But that's as sharp as it gets. Our calendars are accurate to a fraction of a second... time parcels the Mayans not only didn't know about, but didn't care about!

"When the Earth and sun align directly with the galactic center on December 21, 2012... and pass through the galactic plane..." all manner of field reversals will occur.... blah, blah, blah.

The statements contradict themselves. Our sun is not on the galactic plane and will not cross the galactic plane for millions of years. Being on the galactic plane has absolutely zero geometric relationship to the claimed alignment of Earth, Sol and the galactic center. There are no fields to reverse on that day. There ain't no crustal apolcalypse to happen on that day.

Earth's crust is humongously massive. Tectonic plates are moving in directions which cannot be altered even when they bang into one another. All that happens is "subduction" because there is so much momentum. something the size of the moon would have to crash into Earth to achieve what this guy is describing.

Now. Could the magnetic poles flip? Yes. But it would take a heck of a lot longer than one day. A complete pole flip would require 1-2 decades at minimum, probably more like 5-10.

Keep in mind that magnetic pole flipping isn't as simple as turning a pencil from pointing up to pointing down. During pole reversals, additional minor poles spontaneously appear, meaning there will be multiple north poles of different strengths emanating the surface at different locations and corresponding south poles will emerge the other side. Indeed, the current flux map already shows a minor north pole forming in the mid-latitudes of the southern hemisphere.

Why?

Flush your toilet. Do it now. I'll wait.

As the water swirls in a circle, that mimics the circulation of molten iron inside the earth's core. That is what generates the magnetic poles.

But during a flip, the flow becomes turbulent with many eddies and additional loops spraying out in different directions. It would be as if you held the bowl brush inside the maelstrom as you flush. Each resultant mini-loop creates a minor pole, oriented in random directions in relation to the main pole.

The point I'm trying to illustrate is that pole flips are mess affairs. It's not as clean as a spinning tip being flipped upside down. It takes a lot to recongeal the main poles after the turbulence sudsides. This sort of thing doesn't happen in 24 hours. It takes more like 24 years or perhaps as much as 100.

http://gretchen.hockeyrodent.com/MESSAGEBO...10888562#MSGTAB

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

Rodent's next post

"December 21, 2012 is also when Earth completes one wobble (precession) about its axis. This is significant!"

This is patently absurd.

Yes. It is true that earth's precession is about 22,700 years long. But there is no "begin" or "end" point to the cycle. Selecting one is 100% arbitrary and one person's definition of a beginning is no more valid than anyone else's. I.e., there is no point in the 22,700 year precession cycle that is any more or less significant than any other.

Take a car speeding down the highway. Look at one tire roll in slow motion. While you can say with precision that it takes precisely ½-second for the tire to complete one 360-rotation about the axel, I dare you to tell me which point on the tire defines the absolute physical begin point of the rotation. It's completely arbitrary. You or I or anyone can take a Sharpie and place a dot anywhere along the tire and then measure the time it takes for the dot to rotate back to where it was relative to the hub.

[Rocha]

Interesting. And it's the length of time for the poles to reverse why I don't think anything crazy is going to happen in 2012, either, but I have to look it up, I'm pretty sure I remember reading that we really just don't know how long it could take. There's an outside chance the shift could be rapid enough to cause undesirable trigger effects. Probably not, though. I don't think the world is ending in 2012, either.

It just burns my ass when people come at the 2012 stuff with, "Hurrr! Like Y2K or the comets!" Yeah, no. This has scientific theories behind it.

[Puckforbrains]

Rodent's next post

I responded on his board about the rolling tire analogy - something along the lines of this -

Just because we dont know where that beginning point is , doesnt mean it doesnt exist...it could be there , we just wouldnt know it.

[CardsFan]

Am I the only one disappointed when big things don't go down? I'd like to turn back time a couple centuries or so. We should create a Rangerland compound, complete with generators and whatnot. I can show you all how to tan leather using animal brains and run a trot line. We'll live of the fat of the land boys and girls. Yee HAW!

[Puckforbrains]

Am I the only one disappointed when big things don't go down? I'd like to turn back time a couple centuries or so. We should create a Rangerland compound, complete with generators and whatnot. I can show you all how to tan leather using animal brains and run a trot line. We'll live of the fat of the land boys and girls. Yee HAW!

Thanks for the offer Bocephus!

Shall we squat on some land or just kill off some people and steal it from them? (rhetorical question - no response actually requested)

[ideserveabeer]

Did he predict the Giants going to the Super Bowl?

I believe he did:

Quatraine 435: In the 8th year of the new millenium the youngest of a great tribe will rise up and and use the sky and the earth to slay three savages in three days. One last unscathed savage awaited a fortnight later."

He knew his stuff.

[SorryaboutthatWh...]

Interesting. And it's the length of time for the poles to reverse why I don't think anything crazy is going to happen in 2012, either, but I have to look it up, I'm pretty sure I remember reading that we really just don't know how long it could take. There's an outside chance the shift could be rapid enough to cause undesirable trigger effects. Probably not, though. I don't think the world is ending in 2012, either.

It just burns my ass when people come at the 2012 stuff with, "Hurrr! Like Y2K or the comets!" Yeah, no. This has scientific theories behind it.

Yeah, I'm not too big a believer, mostly because of Ro's reasonings although if you read over there I was having some fun with it.

I din't really put this up to disprove anything, but just to add a little more to the "not gunna happen" side of the argument.

[rightbug]

That stuff from Rodent's board is interesting. The thing that strikes me as silly with tying these predictions into the Mayan Calendar is the fact that all of these earth-shatteringly dramatic events are going to occur on a symetrical date. 12-21-12 looks cool. Who doesn't like dates with lots of 1's and 2's in them? But natural phenomina don't tend to allign themselves with cool looking dates.

[Rocha]

That stuff from Rodent's board is interesting. The thing that strikes me as silly with tying these predictions into the Mayan Calendar is the fact that all of these earth-shatteringly dramatic events are going to occur on a symetrical date. 12-21-12 looks cool. Who doesn't like dates with lots of 1's and 2's in them? But natural phenomina don't tend to allign themselves with cool looking dates.

I hear ya, but no one picked that date to look cool, though, certainly not the Mayans. It's just modern science's estimation of when the Mayan calendar ends. What was that other one, 11-11-2001 or something? That was a complete joke, an urban myth.

[Puckforbrains]

12-21-12 was actually the working title of the Rush album. However, Geddy Lee did not want to alarm the masses and cause chaos , so they re-worked it and left it as 2112