QUOTE(leedsy99 @ Apr 18 2012, 12:04 AM)
QUOTE(Scuubs @ Apr 17 2012, 11:27 PM)
The major problem I see is that Hagelin, a player with no discipline history, no reputation of violent infractions, and a player that rarely even commits a stick foul, gets 3 games while players WITH violent discipline histories get less. Arron Asham, multiple suspentions, gets only one more. There's no consistency to the suspentions other than if there was an injury sustained.
But whether or not an injury was sustained is an important part of Shanahan's analysis. I really don't get all the drama and debate over these suspensions. So far, the most damaging consequence of a hit has been what Hagelin did to Alfredsson. "But did you see what Neal did to the Flyers!?!?" Yeah, he tried to run some guys, just like the Flyers try to run some guys when they get a chance. This is a contact sport. These guys really aren't delicate, and by and large the significant injuries come not from the standout plays by the seemingly innocent ones, like Hagelin's elbow. I like the injuries matter approach.
Do you really believe that Neal doesnt deserve more than 1 game simply because he got lucky that his xcheck didn't connect with Schenn's throat first?
That was Aaron Asham, who was suspended for the rest of the series as a result.
A high xcheck is an attempt to injure whether there is an injury or not.
As someone who has played hockey for 30 years, I find this to be 100% untrue. There is a difference between trying to hurt someone and trying to "injure" them. You come back from hurt -- the wound stings, maybe it leaves a mark, but you keep playing. Injury is an attempt to force a guy out. The only true intent to injure that I've seen this postseason was from Carkner, who targeted Boyle before the game started and attacked him in a way that, if I did that to a guy in a bar, I would be charged with a crime.
I agree with your final point. I've done it also, an extra shot in the corner, digging my elbow into ribcages... at no point was I trying to injure someone, just make them think twice before coming to my side of the rink. To me though, a high cross check doesn't consistute just trying to hurt someone or intimidate them, that's an attempt to injure. I suppose the difference is a hit conciously directed at a vital, unprotected part of the body...Asham's (sorry, little mix up) high xcheck. Weber's head slam. Hagelin's hit could/should fall into that too, although it's been said by Hagelin, Shanahan, and Alfredsson that it wasn't thought to be intentional, but rather reckless. I really have more of a problem with the history issue. Suspension history is also supposed to be taken into account, but so far it has been ignored. Carkner gets a game for assaulting an unwitting opponent when he's done the same, and severely injured, another player. James Neal has been suspended once and given warnings twice, but only gets one game. At no point do you drive someone's head into a wall without trying to injure them. That's more that "fuck off you pest", but Weber got nothing, though I don't know if he's been suspended before. Asham, surprisingly, has never been suspended! I never would've thought that. I guess I just feel that history should take more precedent, or at least have as much credence as injuries. Injuries are supposed to be taken into account, not relied upon.
Btw, if you drove a pipe into someone's chest/ throat, you wouldn't be charged with a crime?