Well, I can say I definitely haven't been listening to this:


Victory always sucked but occasionally had good releases. Looking at this, then some of the other youtube videos from their current roster... they dun goofed.

That was metal Pompamaloose. I actively hate you just for posting that.

The other EMA video:




I'll take the Flinstones rapper over it:

You know, just yesterday I was explaining to a friend that I don't listen to new music anymore. I don't post on music boards anymore, I haven't turned the radio to anything other than NPR in about 4 or 5 years and that's only when I forget my iPod, and I barely have the energy to even check out new albums by bands I love.

By and large the energy and time invested into finding new bands doesn't pay off. If I haven't heard of a band before I automatically assume it sucks, and I'm very, very rarely wrong.




These guys are part of the reason why.


I bet this is what WSOU plays these days.

I wouldn't know, I haven't listened to WSOU in ages. After having a radio show in college I lost all patience for other DJ's since they insist on talking more than necessary.

WSOU's current top 10

Loud Rock Charts

Foo Fighters
The Human Abstract
Devil Driver
Between the Buried and Me
Cavalera Conspiracy
Protest The Hero
Agnostic Front
Amon Amarth
Asking Alexandria
Children Of Bodom

As far as rejecting bands for no real reason, I've decided that a band with any sort of religious reference in their name is a band not worth listening to.

Doesn't even matter if it's a positive or negative reference, that band will suck regardless.

Lamb of God. Your argument has already been rendered invalid.

Bad Religion. I'm two-for-two.

Possessed. Shall I continue?

Testament. I could do this all night!

All those bands suck. Especially Lamb of God.

OTOH, Kingdom Come.

I see your Kingdom Come and raise you Grim Reaper.

I was going to say Grim Reaper, but I didn't really consider their name to be "religiony" enough.

I figured the song 'See You in Hell' automatically qualified them.

Oh, sorry. "See you in heEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL!!!"

Foo Fighters set list

I'm going to see them in September and it might be slightly different (They won't be with Motorhead, so I'm sure Shake Your Blood won't be on the list)...Not sure what to think. There's some awesome stuff on there like the fact they're trotting out Stacked Actors, which I love. But I can do without just about anything from "Echos."

What about:
The Jesus and Mary Chain
A Silver Mt. Zion
Nirvana (that one might be a stretch...)

"Can I make you an offah - YEEA CAAAAHREEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWW!"

Destruction - A Savage Symphony. Good live DVD and now I'm on to the history documentary part of it. I approve, not nearly as long as the Sodom documentary and the subtitles aren't a disaster.

Sodom. There's another one!

However Kreator probably do count, bad spelling and all. Tormentor on the other hand...

I'm drunk and throwing this out there -- Are the Foo Fighters the best American rock band ever? I submit that they might be. And their new album is the most Foo Fighterish of them all, which is the absolutely perfect way to explain it. It's perfect, yet just another Foo Fighters album.

Nope!

Rotting Christ.

Inquisition.

Kult ov Azazel.

Naglfar.

Samael.

You're really not this ignorant, you're just enjoying trying to sound cool or something. It's not that hard to find good new music - read Pitchfork and/or other music publications if you find Pitchfork too annoying, read this thread, and listen to a good independent radio station. If you don't want to spend the time because you don't have the energy any more or whatever, I understand that, but there are a few of us here that would disagree strongly with your assertion.

I personally don't think Beamer is too far off. IMO, Indie rock is turning into Yacht rock. And all of Yacht rock sucks. We're still a few more years away from that though. Granted there are still some bands that are creating good music, but as a whole, I find maybe 20% of the new music I hear , I actually like, and rarely am I able to find a entire album anymore that I enjoy in its entirety.


Yacht Rock

Pitchfork is pretty douchey and not my style of music.
There is NO independent radio in Cincinnati.
No one in this thread overlaps too much with the music I enjoy.



So your suggestions aren't really going to cut it. I have to either seek out a messageboard that does overlap with me, and the genre of music I used to listen to seems to have evolved into something I don't recognize or respect, or I have to start going on serious downloading whims.

None of it seems worth the effort.

The AV Club on this is pretty compelling. Most people's taste just doesn't adapt into the new very well. I personally openly admit that I just don't find the time to look for new music that I like.

Good article. I agree with both of them on certain points, especially relating to going through music I have already missed during my lifetime. I'm literally staring at 1000+ 45rpm records that range from the 50's through the 80's and having a hard time getting myself to sell them as I have not heard more than half of them or consider them part of cultural history that I should preserve for the future. I'll ultimately weed it down to 200-300, but its a bitch.

But on the other hand I can move some of these to obtain new and/or old releases to continue to build my library/collection.

Thanks for posting that.

Oh come on.

It is really not that difficult to find good, new music. I'm terrible at keeping up with new music, and I've already found a bunch of new albums I like. Tv on the Radio, Fleet Foxes, Explosions in the Sky, Panda Bear, Kurt Vile, are just a couple artists that have released really good albums this year.

Agreed on almost all accounts of the bands you just listed. But what percentage of new music do you think those bands compromise? .5%? 2%? - certainly not 20 %. But Indie rock is lacking severely in the 'rock' part. Some of it blurs between Indie Folk and Indie Rock - but its all subjective. And as far as hearing the new music, a radio station that plays some of this new music would certainly be nice. The Indie stations that do play it, are limited to one hour shows at best and really is a pain to keep up with.

I'll go even further and suggest that I find 20% of all music, not just new, to be listenable. So for every 100 albums that come out per year since the dawn of music recordings, 20 of them I find I can listen to multiple times

Even 20% may be too high.

This passage from the Onion article sums up my opinion on this perfectly:



So, like I said above, if you don't have the time or energy as you get older to try and keep up, because of more pressing priorities, I get that completely. It can be very daunting to try and keep up on everything new that comes out - it's impossible for me, and I spend a lot of time on it. But don't let that inundation intimidate you into just writing it all off as "sucking". Puck, you can't seriously think that all new music is turning into soft rock.

Also, as Puck mentions, what makes anyone think that the signal to noise ratio is any different in music now than it was 20, 30, or 40 years ago? There's just more of both now, because of how easy it is for artists to get their music published into a medium that people can access easily - digital files, streams, etc. It means way more crap, yes, but way more great music too.

Beamer, if you can't find a local station that you like, you can stream one. Virtually every station nationally has an online stream. If you like indie rock, there are stations like KEXP out of Seattle, or The Alternate Side from WFUV in New York, which streams all day, even when the program itself isn't on air. You seem like you listen to harder stuff, and I don't have any specific suggestions for that, but I'm sure it's out there.

Just don't be that guy - your older cousin or uncle who used to stand over your shoulder when you were watching MTV in the 80s and told you how much everything you were listening to sucked, and how everyone when he was growing up did it better. That guy is a dick.

It's funny because I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum. I'm starting to become more a fan of great albums than great bands because even my favorite bands can only knock it out of the park so many times before they lay an egg. But the bright side is that there are new bands coming down the pipe constantly in all genres and, inevitably, some of them are truely inspired, even if only for one album.

Since moving in with my fiance and becoming much more active in other areas of my life, I don't have time to scour the music blogs and ark corners of the internet for really obscure stuff but, fortunately, I share tastes with lot of people here and on one other board. It also takes very little time and effort to check out Metacritic's new album reviews and list of upcoming releases:

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/albums/re...oming-soon/date

I suppose I'm fortunate in two regards -- I have pretty broad tastes and I have a 30 minute commute and a job where I can listen to music at my desk. I suspect that every genre goes though peaks and valleys so I can see how it would be discouraging if you are tied to a given genre. Before I discovered what a great source the Internet was for discovering new music, I had given up on new music myself because I was tired of hring something I liked on the radio and buying the album only to find that it was one good song and a bunch of shit. I love living in an age where we are no longer dependant on our favorite radio station for discovering new music.

I actually don't even listen to the radio anymore because there's always something new on my iPod. I wonder if maybe this is the reason behind the differing attitudes towards new music? If you're counting on the radio to recommend new music you're at the mercy of whoever is doing the programing and you're tied in to whatever genre that station broadcasts.

Of course, I was responding to a message earlier in the thread not realizing that the conversation had moved on.



That's funny -- Those were the exact lines I was going to quote myself.



I agree stongly with this. I honestly feel like we're in a new golden age of popular music because we've moved pased the age of radio to an era where every good band can put their stuff online and find an audience through word of mouth.



Agreed!

My preferred quote was the paragraph right after.



And you don't need the music the same way anymore. I think it's like a withdrawal thing. You just want to feel like you did when you were a teenager and this shit BLEW YOUR MIND. But that's basically impossible. So you listen to stuff you would've dug as a teen and wish you could get that high again. But it's not the same.

I consider myself fortunate, in some ways, that I tire of music easily. I can move on once I beat a band to death for a year or two, as long as they don't catch my attention with a great new album. I would imagine it's harder to find stuff you like and easier to complain about new music if you can't move on from [insert band of youth].

You're 19. You have nothing but time and incentive.


It comes very much down to time for me. I listen to music almost exclusively while commuting to and from work. That's not really the best time to explore new music without radio access. Finding new music otherwise takes a bit of a commitment. You need to find the bands that may be decent. You need to download them, which may or may not cost money. You need to take time to actually listen to them.


I feel no need to do that. My original point wasn't that there's no good music for anyone, just that I don't have the time or energy to invest into finding new music and that, by and large, I'm not into the music I find. I don't see how being a crotchedy old man is so controversial. If you guys want to add more hours to the day so I can sit around finding music go for it.

Again, impossible. I listen to music in the car. I'm rarely around music otherwise. I'm too busy at work and, when not at work, I pretty much avoid the computer for anything more than 10-15 minute bursts.


It takes time to wade through all the crap to find the gems, and the reward doesn't warrant the time investment anymore.

Honestly, even as someone who worships music from '65-'85, I think the music scene overall is almost as good today as it ever was in most ways. And the few ways it's not as good is not really its fault. Such as...

- The music of today doesn't have as much, if any, any cultural impact. Not its fault, though. Nowadays everyone's attention is scattered between 9,000 things, especially the internet. In 1967 or 1977, this was certainly not the case.

- There aren't as many dramatically new ideas. This is debatable, but even if you believe that (and I might), the more territories people mapped before you, the fewer there are now.

The one general thing about music today vs. "yesterday" that bothers me is there seems to be far more of a sense of ironic detachment from the music they're playing, which is trite and annoying. It's a cultural thing, people nowadays seem more afraid of showing they're really emotional and into what they're doing lest they be called a dork.

I hear what you are saying, and I don't know how it applies as a whole, but I can tell you there are some albums out there that are as deeply emotional as anything that has ever been done.

Funeral by Arcade Fire may be an extreme example, but I can't imagine listening to that and not being completely absorbed in how emotional it is. The Monitor by Titus Andronicus is a good example of an album that isn't necessarily them pouring their heart out, but is still very poignant.

Agaetis Byrjun is another great example of an album that is just heart wrenching. I guess what I'm trying to say is that with so much music out there, generalizations that may be correct can still be irrelevant. Even if 70% of music is detached, which I don't think is true, that still leaves boatloads of deep,passionate, music.

Maryland Deathfest starts on Thursday so I shall be on quite the binge this week.

Things Maryland has had:
Thursday: Deftones and Dillinger Escape Plan
Friday: Converge
Saturday: Cave In
This week: Neurosis


Maryland is like 2001 heaven for me right now.

It's about 20 years of Heaven to me since it has Neurosis, Voivod and Cathedral who I grew up idolizing to newer acts like Hooded Menace.

No, not really. Your original comment:



So, if you haven't heard about it, it sucks, and you're usually right, even though you admit to not spending any significant amount of time finding good stuff.

Again, no one would criticize you saying that you listen to what you're comfortable with and what you know because it's too hard to find current stuff and you don't have the time. I happen to have the time, and also prioritize making time for it. But to write it all off as not being worth the effort is pretty ignorant.

Anyway, speaking of nostalgia for the music of one's youth, I went to see Weird Al Yankovic last night, and that guy just absolutely friggin' rules. I was giggling like a twelve-year-old when he played "Another One Rides the Bus" on his accordion, and when he came out in the full leather fat suit to sing "Fat", that completely sent me over the top.

As much as I love satellite radio, I think that in some respects it's somewhat crippled my desire to even search for new music because it makes it so easy to find things that I already know that I like. Niche channels make that very easy.

OTOH, Pandora has turned me onto some stuff that I probably wouldn't have heard otherwise. Ironically, though, most of the music that Pandora has turned me onto is stuff that I somehow missed when it first came around 20-25 years ago.

The Onion AV article mentions this - you could spend a lifetime going back through existing genres and discovering music you never knew existed, and be perfectly content that way.

Yes, nearly every band that has been referred to me that I have not heard before has sucked. Again, I fail to see what you take contention with here. The vast majority of music, to me, sucks. Sifting through it to find bands that I feel doesn't suck is time consuming and not usually rewarding.

As Sed mentioned, there are plenty of bands I have heard of that I never had much of a chance to check out in the past that I've turned to revisiting. Bands similar enough to bands I already listened to that getting into them takes little time or effort.\




Call it ignorant if you must, but I can't name many recent bands that people have turned me to that I haven't felt sucked. Sorry about that, though I don't know why I feel the need to apologize to someone calling me ignorant. If you're defensive, so what? I'm sure you'd feel much of the music I do like sucks as well. It's the glory of subjective taste.