You mean a post from more than two weeks ago?
Since then it's been reported that Beltran wouldn't need that surgery.

I was going to say, if Beltran says he's pain free I hope that means this injury is going away and he'll be fine next year.

But yeah, let's throw him out there during a waste of a season that is already dead cause he's feeling ok.

It was always said that Beltran would try to avoid the surgery at all costs, because it could go incredibly bad. It also was pretty clearly explained that the doctors werent thrilled with Beltran pushing through, because of his injuries.

I'll ask you one question. I've given reasons why he shouldn't play. Because of his safety and because the doctors werent happy he was trying to speed through his recovery.

Give me one upside to his playing. Give me a reason other than "why not"

http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/15/injury-beltran-pain-free/



That was reported yesterday. Not over two weeks ago.

How about with all the injuries that have happened this season, it would be a mighty lift to see one of those core guys to return for his teammates. It would significantly boost morale for this season and next.

Now if you look previously, I also said this:



But keep going on this whole track of thinking that I want him back at all costs because I don't. If he was hurting, he should stay on the sidelines and rest. But he's not. And if the pain were to come back, the team should shut him down. Much like they did with Maine last season.

You know what was reported today?

“David wanted to try and give it a chance, and go out there and play – but, we decided to take it away from David. He really wanted to try and play, but based upon our doctors and specialist recommendations we said no… He tried to fight me, he said, ‘Come on, man, give me a chance,’ he definitely wants to be here, but he understood.”

Beltran was essentially saying the same thing, and you can't say it wasn't as serious because he was facing CAREER ENDING surgery.

Should we let Wright push through it like we let Beltran. And Again, don't say it's not the same thing, because Beltran was pushing through it, against the doctors wishes AND AGAIN was facing CAREER ENDING surgery.

Morale. I know its like intangibles, but there are going to be a lot of changes this offseason. This team needs to head into next year with SOME hope, or it will be for naught imo.

It's not the same thing because Beltran is pain free.
Jesus Christ. This would be totally different if he was still having pain. How many times do I have to say that?

Not for nothing, but if Beltran comes back, the only morale he'll be boosting would be the morale of a bunch of guys who probably won't even be on this team next year hoping everyone comes back healthy.

Belatran is pain free NOW. He' wasn't pain-free when he was pushing through the pain and working out more than the doctors recommended so it IS the same thing.

*cough* 2 off seasons ago we brought in Johan Santana and we had all the hope in the world. Where did that hope get us?

This off season we fixed the bullpen and got K-Rod and J.J. Putz. We had lot's of hope going into this season. Where did that hope get us???

The fact of the matter is, Beltran could possibly re-injure himself this year, and considering this year has been the definition of Murphy's Law I don't see the point in chancing it.

The only reasons I've been given for why he should play our "why not" and "intangibles"

Sorry, I'm not buying it. The risk isn't worth it. Shut him down. This season is lost and I'mnot worried about the morale of our bench players and career minor leaguers.

I'm just saying after a horrid year, hope may not be such a bad thing for this organization. Beltran coming back could give that to the other injured guys.

At Citi-field for the second time last night. Secod time they gave up double digits and the second time I left in the 7th inning.

That aside, I can actually say the park grew on me the second time, as opposed to my almost hating it the first go around. Deciding to go down and watch the opposing bullpen warm up with literally no one around was fun. Being able to just go down to the field level and watch the game from every angle was awesome too.

If the Mets were in it, all these distractions would mean nothing because I would be glued to my seat, but they suck so I had a blast watching the game from every single possible angle.

I've had a similar experience with Citi Field. I didn't really like it all that much the first time I was there. But it's grown on me and feels more like home. And people do stick to their seats and stay away from the distractions when there's a good game going on, like Saturday. And the place was rocking like Shea Stadium did (alas, without the shaking) when Tatis hit the grand slam a few weeks back.

Did you head up to the Pepsi Porch? I had seats there one game. That was an interesting experience.

Yeah, theres a weird thing about the Pepsi Porch though, it's awesome, but I almost felt like I left the stadium to watch a game somewhere else. Everything got really muffled sound wise, it was weird.

I was pissed I didn't get to go a second time, but the one thing I HATED was my dad scored these front row upper deck seats from his office and the glass right in front of you was taller than you were when you sat down. If that makes any sense.

I sat right next to the foul pole too, which obstructed my view. I have a photo of the view from there that I'll have to dig out later.

Wagner activated.
Livan Hernandez released to make room.
Sheffield scratched from the line-up and there's speculation about his future with the team now.

Wow.

Per Metsblog, Sheffield requested an extension from the Mets. The Mets rejected it. He asked to be out of the line-up to "clear his head."

I didn't see the game at all because I was out, but I guess Wagner pitched a good 8th inning?

The team is in complete shambles right now, they have no idea where they;ll be and he's asking for an extension?

Can't blame a guy for wanting some security, especially if he likes playing here.
I thought Jerry Manuel said he'd want Sheffield considered for next season a week or two ago?

Or this is what's going on:



http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/21/news-ga...d-is-not-happy/

Never a dull moment with the New York Mets.

I wonder if the Phillies were the ones who claimed him when he was on waivers.

It was the Giants, according to that piece.

Well Wagner's been claimed by someone. Hopefully we can get a good trade for him, I don't want to lose him for nothing in Free Agency.

Report is the Red Sox put the claim in for him.
Even if the Mets don't trade him, they could file for arbitration on him at the end of the season. That would mean 1. Wagner could be back or 2. they would get a compensation pick for him. Either, IMO, is not a bad situation.

Ok so I'm in Atlanta because I move in tomorrow. So I'm wearing my Mets shirt (Santana blue!) and these guys start heckling me saying 'HEY thanks for taking Jeff Francoeur from us!"

So I respond "Well have fun with always-hurt Ryan Church"

They go "Whatever man anything is better than being the Mets right now!"

I didn't know what to say and felt dejected. This season sucks.

Atlanta fans haaaaaate Jeff Francouer. One of my good friends is a Braves fan and you should hear the things he says about him. Think about the player you've hated the most on the Mets. Double that and you've got how they feel about Frenchie.

I get that he hasn't exactly lived up to potential, but I mean their hate for him is more than my hate for Kaz Matsui (yeah yeah I know victim of the hype couldn't play in New York).

Well basically he spent most of his time in Atlanta being a free swinging power hitter that failed to hit for anything, let alone power.

Even though the season is lost, it always feels great to beat the Phillies

Something a lot of Mets fans can agree on, I bet.

Plus anyone notice Cole Hamels has a tough time pitching well against the Mets since he called them a bunch of chokers? Lessons in not trash talking.

Perhaps, but being 8 games ahead, I suspect he sleeps pretty soundly at night.

I'm just not happy with trash talking in general. Mets players say how they're the team to beat and then lose in the final week or then just everyone gets hurt this season. So my preference would be not to trash talk. Period. Just play.

I'm trying to decide - is the correct response here "correlation is not causation" or "2 games is an awfully small sample size?"

Correct one: "Cole Hamels is a mug and is never going to be a Cy Young pitcher "

It's too bad more people didn't go at least to the ceremony tonight to honor the 1969 World Series team. It was a great moment and a highlight for me in this awful season. I mean, it was Nolan Ryan's return to a Mets stadium!!! And after the ceremony you could see Johan Santana jump out of the dugout and catch up with Ryan to chat with him.

These guys are an important part of this team's history. They started the whole belief in miracles so many Mets fans have.

I wish I could have gone It was move in day.

With the Mets out of the race, who do you root to win the division:
Phillies
Marlins
Braves
None of the above

None. Of. The. Above. Worst comes to worst I'm for the SF Giants to win for a buddy of mine. I can't route for an AL team because I fear the Yanks will probably take it and the Red Sox are just evil. LAA is meh if I HAD too, and the Central Division sucks.

I'm talking about the division. Not the playoffs.

Oh Boy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-m...p&type=lgns

You know, he's do0ne some stupid things, but he's done some great things too. I knew he was going to get a pass this season because of the injuries (the training staff absolutely should not by the way, heads have to roll) and I'm not really that upset that he'll be back.

I've argued this before, this team made the playoffs what was it 3 times since he got here, and got them to within one game of the world series. He hasn't had the horrible run people like to paint of him.

You can also try to blame him for putting the team together that he did, because they are the ones who collapsed, but 3 years ago would anyone have said "why the hell is he signing Wright and Reyes to practically nothing contracts? Why is he sisnging Putz K-Rod and Santana? Why is he bringing in Pedro? Why is he signing Carlos Beltran and bringing in Delgado?"

No, this team on paper wasn't supposed to collapse. Why is it that when the Yankees lose with the highest payroll in baseball, it's the players fault, but when the Mets lose with the 3rd highest payroll in baseball it's the managers fault?

So basically you want to give him a pass for doing what you always hated the Yankees for trying to do...buy a championship.

And if I am not mistaken, the Mets have only made the playoffs once since he got here. So all he has done since he got the Queens is made them the top 3 highest payroll and 1 playoff apprearance.

Nationals.

I'm still convinced to this day the Mets would have won the WS if they had beaten the Cards. Both teams were hot at the time, and Detroit was overrated. Now if the Mets HAD won, this argument would be moot and you know it. Eli Manning isn't getting the same scrutiny with his extension (which I believe he deserves but that is a different topic) that Minaya is getting for winning playoff games in only 1 of the 4 years he made it. Those other losses could be considered "collapses." They were actually.

Omar Minaya has built a team that is able to compete (which every team since 1991-2005 with the notable exceptions of the 1998-2000 teams) except for this insanely fluky injury plagued season. Could he have made some moves this season? Of course. By staying quiet at the deadline was good because what could he sell? Delgado? Not making it back this season. Wagner? Still too many question marks. Beltran? He's the franchise player. Reyes? No. NO NO NO. Sorry with him in the lineup this is a different team. They are excited, they are pumped, they are Reyesized (I know that is made up but I really don't give a fuck.) So by staying put and recuperating until next year was the best move. When healthy this team will show you how good it is. Imagine if we were healthy and continued our 19-9 pace from May all throughout the season! It would have been a 110 win season (if there was no April I KNOW). That team was firing at all cylinders and still can.

Omar did not buy a championship btw. He assembled a competitive team over 2 years (2005 and 2006) and when the team failed after that he added little fixes (Santana last year and Putz and Krod this year). He didn't buy 2 franchise pitchers and an allstar first basemen this offseason did he? No he signed a closer (who has was said to be overrated before the season by the way) and traded for an injury prone once good closer and got rid of that cancer Heilman. That's good GMing imo. I still can't believe I have defend him.

fact is they didn't beat the Cardinals, they didn't go to the WS and they didn't beat the Tigers. Since Minaya has been GM they have made the playoffs once. ONCE!! That is not a what if scenario, that is a fact. He has brought the Met payroll to the 3rd highest and they are now going on 3 years straight without making the playoffs. Also, if there hasn't been all this offfield drama, then I wouldn't blame the Wilpons for giving him one more chance. But it has been a 3 ring circus since May. And it has only gotten worse since(this Sheffield mess is gonna get real ugly real soon).

Do you know why the Mets have been so bad this year? because Minaya refused to address needs. The team had no depth. Minaya wasn't a buyer or a seller at the deadline when he should have been one or the other.

When the season started...
Everyone knew they needed an OFer other than Beltran, Minaya didn't think so.
Everyone knew that after Santana the rotation is question marks. Minaya didn't think so.
Everyone knew that if injuries hit, the Mets would be fucked because they lack depth. Minaya didn't think so.

Once again this is just issues off the field. Then we go to the Willie Randolph firing fiasco last year, the Bernazard incidents and firings this year, the medical staff not knowing what they are doing now the whole Sheffield incident. BTW if you are out of the playoffs, you have no intentions of bringing the guy back for 2010 and a team claims him while he is on waivers...why the hell would you not just let him go??

Minaya has done his best but there bad thingd going on right now far out weigh the good.

PS... why must the Yanks be thrown into every convo about the Mets?

One time in the playoffs. ONCE. Not three. Should have been three. At least twice.

I'm not surprised they're bringing Omar back considering the things that caused this team to lose this season are not his fault. And he did secure the bullpen, only for it to fall apart when Putz was injured.

And I'm not surprised they're going to bring back Manuel either for the same reasons.

That doesn't mean I want them to come back. This team has some serious problems, and I think the changes need to happen from top to bottom.