QUOTE(SpanishJack @ Sep 11 2009, 08:12 AM)
You are certainly correct in saying the bills or proposals going around the House and the Senate do not contain specific language about HC for illegal immigrants, but I am glad you mentioned because your statement also debunks and contradicts statements the president made Wednesday and peole like yourself have made in the past.
Section 246 of HR3200 clearly states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
What Obama said in his speech: "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This too is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those that are here illegally. [followed by 'You lie!']
So you are plainly WRONG to say that "The House [bill] ... [does] not contain specific language about HC for illegal immigrants." It very plainly says in the simplest words imaginable that those here illegally will not have their medical coverage paid for by the federal program. This could not be any easier. But your next point illustrates the absolute insanity of this strand of criticism for the bill, the hypocrisy of the bill's staunchest critics, and the disgusting lack of sympathy portrayed by those needing to politicize what should be a "no brain" decision about (what should be) an essential human right.
Regardless of whether you have HC coverage or can pay the bill, medical facilities like the Lincoln Hospital in the Brionx do not, I repeat, do not turn you away because of lack of coverage or financial means and let you die in their door steps. For example, an undocumented pregnant woman is attended and her natal care is paid for by Medicaid. This is not fear mongoring, like you call it, but a fair question of how, after an entire overhaul of the health care industry, the 10-12 millions of undocumented folks, who do not have HC coverage and are a big factor of why HC cost are where they are today, are going to be handle. Now, the president didn't outright lie, but he certainly wasn't fothright about it.
So the criticism of this section of the plan is that it does not outright provide a mechanism to ensure that illegal immigrants are in fact left to die in their doorsteps by the HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY. A problem with the bill, in your own words, is that it does not resolve the cost spent to provide health care to those here illegally. There are only three ways to deal with this:
1) Treat them and make illegal aliens work off their care. This was the preferred method of the southern United States up until the Civil War.
2) Treat them with minimal possible care (because it won't be reimbursed by the government), eat whatever cost is associated and hope that the initial outlay is eventually balanced over time. For example, I wonder how many current members of our military force were born in American hospitals to undocumented parents -- one of my friends from law school, a former Marine, would attest to this happening.
3) Let them die.
This is the H
ndustry. The idea behind this reform, at its barest philosophical level, is that in a country so developed and sophisticated as ours, health care must be a FUNDAMENTAL right. If you get sick in the United States, the decision to get treated should not hinge on whether or not you can afford it. If you administer health care in the United States, you should not perform a credit check on your patients before deciding which form of care to give them. It's that simple. Any system that would deny this basic human need to anyone, even an undocumented alien in this country, flies directly in the face of the oath and responsibility of anyone involved in the health care industry. Find me any doctor in the United States that, if faced with a sick illegal alien needing medical assistance, would turn them away simply because they weren't lucky enough to be born within this country's borders. You won't find one. So why should a health plan designed to provide universal coverage grant these individuals a mechanism to shirk this basic responsibility?
And that's only one point here. How about the hypocrisy? How about idiots like Joe Wilson clamoring on about the mistaken belief that HR3200 will create death panels and play some form of Russian roulette with the elderly ... yet denying health care to illegal immigrants should be an essential aspect of the bill? In other words, they will play the death card when it comes to your nanny and grampy, but illegal immigrants? Fuck them. Fuck them and their sick dying babies. Unlike nanny and grampy, those people shouldn't be here anyway. Free health care is just a big 'ol incentive for those people to sneak in this country, like leaving food out for roaches. "HR3200 will kill old people! Also, HR3200 will not kill enough illegal immigrants!"
I say nothing here about the bill itself or universal health care, other than stating the philosophy behind reform, which I think is correct (which I say as someone that, at various points in my own life, did not have any health care). This is entirely to counter anyone that would defend Joe Wilson's comment as anything short of profound stupidity.